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For clarification, AC pilots start at with a flat salary at $38K for year 1 and $40K for year 2. At year 3, they start earning formula pay.

This is true for first officers. Captains move to hourly rates in Year 2.

So would a senior FA be making more on some flights than the Pilots:p

Its definitely running higher that $10/Hr in Calgary. As a new ramp handler for Fedex starting wage is 17.05 with a $1500 signing bonus.

Back to the main subject, would you like to have a tired and pissed off pilot for your next flight? Stop .....ing, I have been bumped from paid J for a pilot, I was reimbursed for the flight. You may all like to ..... about pilots and the perks they get, what the unions get for them, but nevertheless you need them to get you from a to b safely. Pilots spend far too long training just to get the opportunity to make the 38K starting salary. Whoever said there is no difference between a Jazz pilot and a 777 pilot, yeah no difference at all, as long as you dont include experience, and how many years and hours they have sat behind the controls of different a/c just to get there. You all need to realize that pilots have to work their asses off to get to where they are, and for that many hours they sure as hell deserve a J seat.

No, because a new pilot wont be flying long haul flights that a senior FA would be on. New pilots and crew start on short haul routes, like YYC to YQL, or YYZ to YXU.

Lots of people work hard long hours. Its just the ability of the pilots Union to get them great work rules. A doctor has way more years of training does that mean they need to fly F only?:eek: Bring back Regan.... and just fix the mess^ If the seat is good enough for the customer its MORE than good enough for the pilot.

Nope, but if they need a CATSCAN or an MRI or major surgery they sure as hell don't go on the wait list like the rest of us. :(

Incorrect, it happens all the time on AC. If you were correct, you would only see new-hire flight attendants on Rapidair flights and there wouldn't be a purser on board.

Having read all of your posts on this kind of thing over the last few years I have arrived at the conclusion that you are not a labour market economist. :D

There are some flaws in your thinking...personally I agree bring back Regan, however with the current situation things are different. I know how long and hard a doctor has to train for, my mother has been one for 20 years and my sister is in medical school. Maybe they should be in J, however because their work has nothing to do with an airline, and doctors do not normally fly to do an operation it is not needed. When they do fly to actually practice medicine in a hospital, ie. surgery or any type of specific care that would necessitate their flying they are flown in either private jet or in J class. So since a doctor who is operating within your body is flying J when needed what is the problem with a pilot who is in control of your safety being in J? I would rather be bumped to Y and be compensated than fly with a tired pilot. Try flying a plane, let alone tired. Trust me, as a pilot, not commercial or anything, but I know how tiring it is and doing so when you start your flight tired is just plain stupid and dangerous. You should be thankful that the pilots are in J on deadheads, its so that they can continue to fly safely.

Correct, however for the most part the most senior flight attendants are on long haul flights. I rarely see a senior attendant on short hauls within Western Canada, however you will not fly a long haul without at least two of them.

you are living in DREAM land........ lol

As a purser in my past life (pursers reach max salary after 3 years) I worked MANY Rapidairs with senior crew, most were similar age to my parents - but that said, an F/A reaches max salary after 8 years so anyone with over 8 years seniority is making the same $. Anyone flying between YUL and YYZ can attest to having a mix of junior and senior crew. There are also quite a few senior F/As that prefer domestic flying to overseas as well. Yes, overseas flights go senior but many of the relief pilots on the longer flights are new hires on flat salary as well.

I'm living in a dream land? Good argument, thanks for coming out.