Pilots in First Class
 

As a Super Elite member, this enrages me. I too often see off duty pilots in First Class, while I'm told there are no upgrades, or just aren't upgraded out of courtesy. Too much to ask after flying 120k miles last year? Does anyone know if this is in their Union Contract?

If a pilot is deadheading they are guaranteed J. I believe they can bump paying J pax.

Yes, it is in the contract. Air Canada is required to provide J class for Captains who are deadheading to or from their flights.

AC is supposed to plan this out in advance so there is as little for pax as possible.

this only applies to CAPTAINS, first officers and cabin crew get J on a space available basis whilst on duty.

to the op...

why would this enrage you ? courtesy upgrades are just that. a courtesy. why blow a fuse ?


ducking now...

this topic has been discussed on this board ad nauseum over the years.

but it's been at least a few weeks since someone's brought it up... ;)

i think you should make a recommendation that all crew fly J in street clothes....would solve all of these issues.

People like their jobs for the perks they get...whether it be a discount off of a product, a free gym membership, whatever....but when they see others enjoying the perks of their jobs they blow a fuse.

I completely agree that a company needs to take care of their best passengers....however, it is not an entitlement, and a courtesy upgrade is just that, a courtesy. You are not entitled to a J seat when you purchased a Y ticket.....if you want to ensure you have a J seat, purchase a J seat.

lol. 5 posts in ! must be a record !

i tried to say it without saying it.

thanks tyassine. 1 gold star for you.

As a pilot myself, I disagree with the OP. What's the big deal? If it wasn't for us flying you everywhere, you wouldn't get to fly J anyway, so give us a break.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

This post sums up AC 's attitude.

If it wasn't for us passengers you wouldn't be flying anything except maybe a kite.

I believe we the passengers are the hands that are feeding you :rolleyes:

bring on the flamers..... :rolleyes:

What about in situations where a pilot is bumping a paid J pax?

I know its probably rare, but given AC's level of compensation, I doubt the pax would be very happy.

I presume that most pilot deadheading occurs within Canada, so as a pilot would you rather enrage a high rev pax (paying for J who gets booted for a captain) or go without a big seat for a couple of hours. Keeping in mind that if it weren't for high rev pax you may not have a job.

Non-confirmed upgrades are a different story, which has been put to rest.

PAID J PAX getting bumped is weak.

i'd like to think it would only happen with very militant captains ( or ACPA executive ) and in last minute deadhead for operational reasons situations. ie. captain has to get on a rapidair to operate a recrewed delayed overseas flight...

most drivers are customer oriented and would be loathe to offend pax...

the three s's for AC pilots drilled into their heads in ground school, in order...

1. safety
2. service
3. schedule

this posts sums up most AC FTers out there......my whole post was about this sudden feeling of entitlement that people gain when they achieve E or SE.....

Unless you are paid J, you are not entitled to a J seat....sit in Y with the rest.

must stop with the pilots then.... :D

the rest of the crew are busy eating YOUR steaks. :D