Pilots in First Class
Apr 17, 2008 | 12:05 pm
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2004
Programs: Air Canada Aeroplan
Posts: 2
Pilots in First Class
As a Super Elite member, this enrages me. I too often see off duty pilots in First Class, while I'm told there are no upgrades, or just aren't upgraded out of courtesy. Too much to ask after flying 120k miles last year? Does anyone know if this is in their Union Contract?
Apr 17, 2008 | 12:15 pm
#3
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: YYZ/YXU
Programs: E75K, Fairmont Platimum
Posts: 457
As a Super Elite member, this enrages me. I too often see off duty pilots in First Class, while I'm told there are no upgrades, or just aren't upgraded out of courtesy. Too much to ask after flying 120k miles last year? Does anyone know if this is in their Union Contract?
AC is supposed to plan this out in advance so there is as little for pax as possible.
Apr 17, 2008 | 12:39 pm
#4
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 718
to the op...
why would this enrage you ? courtesy upgrades are just that. a courtesy. why blow a fuse ?
ducking now...
Apr 17, 2008 | 1:01 pm
#6
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 468
i think you should make a recommendation that all crew fly J in street clothes....would solve all of these issues.
People like their jobs for the perks they get...whether it be a discount off of a product, a free gym membership, whatever....but when they see others enjoying the perks of their jobs they blow a fuse.
I completely agree that a company needs to take care of their best passengers....however, it is not an entitlement, and a courtesy upgrade is just that, a courtesy. You are not entitled to a J seat when you purchased a Y ticket.....if you want to ensure you have a J seat, purchase a J seat.
Apr 17, 2008 | 1:04 pm
#7
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 718
Apr 17, 2008 | 1:30 pm
#9
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toronto (YYZ)
Posts: 6,286
If it wasn't for us passengers you wouldn't be flying anything except maybe a kite.
I believe we the passengers are the hands that are feeding you
Apr 17, 2008 | 1:35 pm
#11
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: YVR
Programs: WS Platinum, former AC E35K
Posts: 6,338
What about in situations where a pilot is bumping a paid J pax?
I know its probably rare, but given AC's level of compensation, I doubt the pax would be very happy.
I presume that most pilot deadheading occurs within Canada, so as a pilot would you rather enrage a high rev pax (paying for J who gets booted for a captain) or go without a big seat for a couple of hours. Keeping in mind that if it weren't for high rev pax you may not have a job.
Non-confirmed upgrades are a different story, which has been put to rest.
I know its probably rare, but given AC's level of compensation, I doubt the pax would be very happy.
I presume that most pilot deadheading occurs within Canada, so as a pilot would you rather enrage a high rev pax (paying for J who gets booted for a captain) or go without a big seat for a couple of hours. Keeping in mind that if it weren't for high rev pax you may not have a job.
Non-confirmed upgrades are a different story, which has been put to rest.
Apr 17, 2008 | 1:45 pm
#12
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 718
What about in situations where a pilot is bumping a paid J pax?
I know its probably rare, but given AC's level of compensation, I doubt the pax would be very happy.
I presume that most pilot deadheading occurs within Canada, so as a pilot would you rather enrage a high rev pax (paying for J who gets booted for a captain) or go without a big seat for a couple of hours. Keeping in mind that if it weren't for high rev pax you may not have a job.
Non-confirmed upgrades are a different story, which has been put to rest.
I know its probably rare, but given AC's level of compensation, I doubt the pax would be very happy.
I presume that most pilot deadheading occurs within Canada, so as a pilot would you rather enrage a high rev pax (paying for J who gets booted for a captain) or go without a big seat for a couple of hours. Keeping in mind that if it weren't for high rev pax you may not have a job.
Non-confirmed upgrades are a different story, which has been put to rest.
i'd like to think it would only happen with very militant captains ( or ACPA executive ) and in last minute deadhead for operational reasons situations. ie. captain has to get on a rapidair to operate a recrewed delayed overseas flight...
most drivers are customer oriented and would be loathe to offend pax...
the three s's for AC pilots drilled into their heads in ground school, in order...
1. safety
2. service
3. schedule
Last edited by naplesyrupeater; Apr 17, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Apr 17, 2008 | 1:58 pm
#13
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 468
Unless you are paid J, you are not entitled to a J seat....sit in Y with the rest.
