Aeroplan Status Extension 2023 through Co-Branded CC
#106
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SE and 75K can create a 50K and 35K every year.
#107
Join Date: Mar 2021
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And I would bet the premium credit cards add more false 50K's than status gifts.
#108
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Let's say everything was stable (no covid), and travel volume was stable, number of travellers stable. Then in any given year, the number of SEs is also constant because the number of new SEs exactly offsets the number of SEs who drop off.
But now with the credit card it will cut down on the number of those who drop off without affecting the number of those who will newly qualify.
The end result is more SEs.
#109
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Edmonton
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Even if SEs could not create 50Ks, I would argue it will nonetheless increase the number of SEs.
Let's say everything was stable (no covid), and travel volume was stable, number of travellers stable. Then in any given year, the number of SEs is also constant because the number of new SEs exactly offsets the number of SEs who drop off.
But now with the credit card it will cut down on the number of those who drop off without affecting the number of those who will newly qualify.
The end result is more SEs.
Let's say everything was stable (no covid), and travel volume was stable, number of travellers stable. Then in any given year, the number of SEs is also constant because the number of new SEs exactly offsets the number of SEs who drop off.
But now with the credit card it will cut down on the number of those who drop off without affecting the number of those who will newly qualify.
The end result is more SEs.
#110
Join Date: Aug 2013
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"False 50K" - that's an interesting term.
I get it, but I doubt AC would agree with that perspective.
I get it, but I doubt AC would agree with that perspective.
#111
Join Date: Feb 2010
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OMG !!
AC is really really really starting to @%&) me off !!!!
AC is really really really starting to @%&) me off !!!!
#112
Join Date: Mar 2020
Programs: AC 75k
Posts: 704
To me, a bigger issue is the preium credit cards that give all the benefits of 50K status. Now anyone who has those credit cards has the same benefits as a million miler. I spent 20 years becoming a million miler when I could've got the same benefits from the credit card I now hold.
CC don't get the *G lounge access, or free guest access. Granted, the latter is really the only difference in the flying experience anyway between 35/50k in Canada if upgrades are already out of the picture. We ran into this with my wife and daughter. Had read T+C saying can bring a guest, but missed the "for a fee" part.
#113
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Save on baggage fees: You, authorized users and up to 8 companions travelling on the same reservation (up to a maximum of 9 travellers) will all enjoy your first checked bag free (up to 23kg/50lbs) when your travel originates on an Air Canada flight, every time you fly.
#114
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM; SPG Plat
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Perhaps AC sees that the number of SEs (and 75k, etc.) are likely to otherwise drop significantly for 2023, and this is a response to that.
If everything was stable, then, sure, I agree. And I would think they wouldn't launch this promotion in that case.
#115
Join Date: Oct 2019
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It may be splitting hairs, and I haven't done the comp to recent Amex offerings, but when I did the analysis a while back, the Premium Cards are really more equivalent to 35k without the eUps, discount Preferred seats, MLL guest passes or Priority rewards. MLL, priority baggage, priority check in are all equivalent to 35k. One little exception that scratches 50k is international MLL access. Just quickly checking on the TD website, it doesnt list free baggage for Infinite Privilege that I could find which is interesting - I thought it had that. With status, never had to test it.
CC don't get the *G lounge access, or free guest access. Granted, the latter is really the only difference in the flying experience anyway between 35/50k in Canada if upgrades are already out of the picture. We ran into this with my wife and daughter. Had read T+C saying can bring a guest, but missed the "for a fee" part.
CC don't get the *G lounge access, or free guest access. Granted, the latter is really the only difference in the flying experience anyway between 35/50k in Canada if upgrades are already out of the picture. We ran into this with my wife and daughter. Had read T+C saying can bring a guest, but missed the "for a fee" part.
Only thing 35K members get on top of premium cardholders are eUpgrades and 2 checked bags (32kg each).
I'm strongly opposed to these wild benefits that credit card holders receive without even having to spend a dime with Air Canada directly.
#116
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Personally I like the idea of making this promotion into a "banked year of current status", which you don't need to "consume" if you have already qualified for the status by normal means (meaning that for me and others actually flying, I would get a banked year of super elite out of the promotion). That doesn't address cow's concern about the MLL capacity issues, but would at least recognize the value of the ACTUAL flying that was already done.
At the very very least, AC should introduce something to the effect of an SQD rollover - recognizing those who really are flying this year.
#117
Join Date: Mar 2020
Programs: AC 75k
Posts: 704
Tbh, the premium cards offer even better perks than the 35K. 35K members can't access International MLL and don't get priority baggage. The premium cards are basically 50k status.
Only thing 35K members get on top of premium cardholders are eUpgrades and 2 checked bags (32kg each).
I'm strongly opposed to these wild benefits that credit card holders receive without even having to spend a dime with Air Canada directly.
Only thing 35K members get on top of premium cardholders are eUpgrades and 2 checked bags (32kg each).
I'm strongly opposed to these wild benefits that credit card holders receive without even having to spend a dime with Air Canada directly.
I think the priority award vs. companion pass are kind of comparable, again depending on your situation.
In favor of status, the missing eUps are still pretty important to everyone here and I think devalue the argument CC truly buys status, but still, all in $800 for a couple that is a minor investment for the perks you get despite what some call as overpriced.
#118
Join Date: Mar 2020
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This is exactly what's grinding me. I did a TON of flying in April & May (flights almost every weekend and one TATL still to come) ... and I did that flying to take advantage of the double SQD promo. Which I appreciate ... but now it appears that instead I could have spent the exact same money buying next-year tickets ... and the points would count for this year (thus extending my status through 2023), but the SQD would count for next year (when I flew, and helping me earn 2024 status).
Personally I like the idea of making this promotion into a "banked year of current status", which you don't need to "consume" if you have already qualified for the status by normal means (meaning that for me and others actually flying, I would get a banked year of super elite out of the promotion). That doesn't address cow's concern about the MLL capacity issues, but would at least recognize the value of the ACTUAL flying that was already done.
At the very very least, AC should introduce something to the effect of an SQD rollover - recognizing those who really are flying this year.
Personally I like the idea of making this promotion into a "banked year of current status", which you don't need to "consume" if you have already qualified for the status by normal means (meaning that for me and others actually flying, I would get a banked year of super elite out of the promotion). That doesn't address cow's concern about the MLL capacity issues, but would at least recognize the value of the ACTUAL flying that was already done.
At the very very least, AC should introduce something to the effect of an SQD rollover - recognizing those who really are flying this year.
EDIT: At the same time not diluting the benefits they actively earned.
Last edited by FlY2XS; May 11, 2022 at 8:03 pm
#119
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 302
Tbh, the premium cards offer even better perks than the 35K. 35K members can't access International MLL and don't get priority baggage. The premium cards are basically 50k status.
Only thing 35K members get on top of premium cardholders are eUpgrades and 2 checked bags (32kg each).
Only thing 35K members get on top of premium cardholders are eUpgrades and 2 checked bags (32kg each).
Oh, I forgot the brag tags...
But on the topic here, the CC makes a very nice supplement to status. In this case, making it way easier to maintain. It looks like with this promotion, AC is continuing to signal a shift to spend being most important to them.
#120
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This thread, like some of the other recent promo threads, has gotten quite deep on whether AC has been creating too many new elites through this and other promos.
To try to keep this thread more focused on the promo itself, I've created a new thread for that discussion. I'm not going to move any existing posts from this thread, because some of them are entangled with comments that are on topic to this promo, and I don't have time for that laborious exercise tonight, but please continue any further discussion on that concept over in the new thread. I will note that if you want to reply to something from this thread in the new thread, there are two relatively simple ways to do that:
Fair warning: I will be deleting any further posts in this thread that are broader comments about all the elites that are being created/maintained by this and other promos as opposed to discussion specific to this promo. I would ordinarily move them to the new thread, but I have too much work (the kind that actually pays me) to do over the next few days to do that (moving a post takes ~10x as much time as deleting it).
So please, use the new thread for that conversation.
Adam Smith
AC Forum Co-Moderator
To try to keep this thread more focused on the promo itself, I've created a new thread for that discussion. I'm not going to move any existing posts from this thread, because some of them are entangled with comments that are on topic to this promo, and I don't have time for that laborious exercise tonight, but please continue any further discussion on that concept over in the new thread. I will note that if you want to reply to something from this thread in the new thread, there are two relatively simple ways to do that:
- Hit Multi Quote, go to the new thread, and hit Reply there. When it tells you you've selected posts from other threads and can include them if you want, do that.
- Hit Quote here, copy the text, then go to the new thread. When you hit Reply in that thread, paste the text you copied from here
Fair warning: I will be deleting any further posts in this thread that are broader comments about all the elites that are being created/maintained by this and other promos as opposed to discussion specific to this promo. I would ordinarily move them to the new thread, but I have too much work (the kind that actually pays me) to do over the next few days to do that (moving a post takes ~10x as much time as deleting it).
So please, use the new thread for that conversation.
Adam Smith
AC Forum Co-Moderator