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Old May 21, 2020, 8:27 pm
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What's the rationale for doing this? Why not just use regular aircraft (and block seats if the goal is social distancing)?
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Old May 21, 2020, 8:28 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
Exactly. Which is why I called out the poster who said it would work.
Social distancing is a made-up term with no universal meaning. In Canada, it started out at one metre. Then it became two. In the US, it's six feet, which is only 1.83 metres.

On an airplane, it has been deemed to be not having a blocked middle seat in Y, or being in J where there's greater space between seats to begin with.

The only thing that's relevant to this thread is that social distancing on a Jetz 319 is no worse than on another aircraft.

If you or the person who first brought it up have an issue with the practice as it's being generally implemented, that's for another thread or probably the coronavirus general forum.

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Old May 21, 2020, 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by mahasamatman
It's "safety theatre" to appease the masses of people who are gullible enough to believe it makes a difference.
This new safety theatre will likely permeate our travel experiences for an indeterminate length of time, even after a covid vaccine is available. Unlike the security theatre that never really went away following 9/11, I hope the ineffective temperature checks, mask wearing and other feel-good measures will be withdrawn.
This Jetz service makes use of unused aircraft, is right-sized to meet today's reduced demand, but prompts unsettling questions about whether they're offering a perceived 'safer' service for those willing to pay extra for it. None of us bemoan more comfort, service and flexibility in exchange for a higher airfare; but health & safety should not be something offered á la carte.
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Old May 21, 2020, 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Social distancing is a made-up term with no univeral meaning. In Canada, it started out at one metre. Then it became two. In the US, it's six feet, which is only 1.83 metres.

On an airplane, it has been deemed to be not having a blocked middle seat in Y, or being in J where there's greater space between seats to begin with.

The only thing that's relevant to this thread is that social distancing on a Jetz 319 is no worse than on another aircraft.

If you or the person who first brought it up have an issue with the practice as it's being generally implemented, that's for another thread or probably the coronavirus general forum.
Social distancing is only useful outside 6 feet apart. I don't see a Jetz plane making any difference to ACs social distancing policy.
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Old May 21, 2020, 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by capedreamer
What's the rationale for doing this? Why not just use regular aircraft (and block seats if the goal is social distancing)?
I get the feeling it's just to throw in the plane in the rotation so that it doesn't just sit forever.
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Old May 21, 2020, 9:54 pm
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Originally Posted by SparseFlyer
I get the feeling it's just to throw in the plane in the rotation so that it doesn't just sit forever.
I see it a little differently. This is a way for them to carry the same number of passengers, but market it in a more premium way, and therefore charge for it.

If you sell 80 seats in Y on a 319, you get 80 * X. If you sell 80 seats in PY on a Jetz 319, you get 80 * Y, where Y > X.
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Old May 22, 2020, 12:02 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
If you sell 80 seats in Y on a 319, you get 80 * X. If you sell 80 seats in PY on a Jetz 319, you get 80 * Y, where Y > X.
If you sell 80 seats on a Jetz 319, aren't you going to have to VDB/IDB 22 people? Seems like a losing business strategy
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Old May 22, 2020, 6:56 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I see it a little differently. This is a way for them to carry the same number of passengers, but market it in a more premium way, and therefore charge for it.

If you sell 80 seats in Y on a 319, you get 80 * X. If you sell 80 seats in PY on a Jetz 319, you get 80 * Y, where Y > X.
But does that incremental revenue really justify the logistical complexities of adding these non-standard birds into the rotation? Doesn't seem like something that would really move the needle.
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Old May 22, 2020, 9:07 am
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But does that incremental revenue really justify the logistical complexities of adding these non-standard birds into the rotation? Doesn't seem like something that would really move the needle.
Curious what logistical complexities would be present for a Jetz vs mainline A319 operation? Apart for the interior configuration, the planes require the same considerations, no? Same service, same handling, same equipment, same fuel, same gates, same crew etc.
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Old May 22, 2020, 9:19 am
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Folks, a few post edits and/or deletions have been made to try and get this thread back on track but please note that this is not the venue to discuss either COVID-19 in general or the larger issues of social distancing. A deeper discussion on social distancing as it applies directly to AC should be carried on in the CleanCare+ thread since that is one part of the airline program. Posting off topic content may earn a poster a suspension of their posting privileges.

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Old May 22, 2020, 11:20 am
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Old May 22, 2020, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
If you sell 80 seats on a Jetz 319, aren't you going to have to VDB/IDB 22 people? Seems like a losing business strategy
Good point. 58 PY vs 72 Y + 14 J. The math isn't as clear.

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But does that incremental revenue really justify the logistical complexities of adding these non-standard birds into the rotation? Doesn't seem like something that would really move the needle.
As CZAMFlyer mentioned, I don't think there are many serious logistical complexities.

My biggest concern would be a mechanical issue requiring a swap to a regular 319 where you now have, at best, 14 upgrades and 44 downgrades. But it seems like they only need 2 for this rotation, so they could easily keep a spare in each of YOW/YUL, and two in YYZ.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest they probably did the math and decided the revenue would be worth the cost.
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Old May 22, 2020, 12:35 pm
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Interesting that he put a lot of detail into this article







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https://onemileatatime.com/air-canad...-class-planes/
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Old May 22, 2020, 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
My biggest concern would be a mechanical issue requiring a swap to a regular 319 where you now have, at best, 14 upgrades and 44 downgrades. But it seems like they only need 2 for this rotation, so they could easily keep a spare in each of YOW/YUL, and two in YYZ.
You're really struggling with math in this thread... 2 for the rotation + 1 spare in YOW + 1 spare in YUL + 2 spares in YYZ = 6 Jetz 319s required for your plan with the spares, but there are only 3 Jetz 319s

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest they probably did the math and decided the revenue would be worth the cost.
I think it's an interesting way to see whether they can make money off lower load factors by selling it as PY and charging a premium.

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Interesting that he put a lot of detail into this article
Not like he has much else to write about these days
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Old May 22, 2020, 12:57 pm
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Assume this would be Zone 2 for everyone who isn’t SE?
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