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As of April 13, 2021 (in conjunction with the federal government bailout), AC is providing refunds for flights cancelled due to COVID, which applies to tickets with travel after February 1, 2020, and purchased before April 13, 2021. This includes flights cancelled by customers rather than AC.
Going forward (i.e. tickets purchased on or after April 13, 2021), cancelled flights will be refunded if AC does not offer a re-booking option with departure +/- 3 hours from the original time.
AC refund portal
Online refund request form
Press release on the bailout
Going forward (i.e. tickets purchased on or after April 13, 2021), cancelled flights will be refunded if AC does not offer a re-booking option with departure +/- 3 hours from the original time.
AC refund portal
Online refund request form
Press release on the bailout
Master thread Air Canada Refunds vs credits; Class action lawsuit filed
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Chargeback is probably the only real option
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As has been pointed out upthread, class actions take a long time, but Evolink is working purely on contingency, so there's little downside to any of AC's customers in them pursuing this.
It may have been "evident" to you, but the exact extent and consequences were not "evident" to many. Nor are your comments at all relevant to those who purchased tickets before then who now can't get refunds. No one can blame AC for selling me a YYC-NAS ticket for Easter 2020 last August, or a bunch of YYC-YVR trips for Q2/Q3 in December.
No, that's not how it works. If the customer has a right to get a refund from an intermediary, e.g. credit card issuer or travel agent, the consumer doesn't have a claim, the intermediary would have a claim, and that would be subject to the terms of whatever agreement exist between the intermediary (or any further intermediaries) and AC, which may or may not be unsecured.
Furthermore, any tickets/credits that are honoured don't become claims against AC in an insolvency, because AC has fulfilled (or will fulfill) its obligation.
No one can say for sure what would happen to travel credits in an insolvency. It would depend in part on the scope of the problem. If it's relatively small, compared to the other liabilities, they may simply be left untouched rather than having to go through the potentially significant hassle of appointing representation for the holders and dealing with their rights, as well as thorny questions such as whether a haircut should be imposed on amounts charged to cover true 3rd party charges - AIFs, GST, UK APD, etc. It may be less costly to the parties involved to simply leave the travel credits in place.
I generally agree with you. And with settlements like Red Bull and DRAM, sure. But the big difference here is that the harm is relatively identifiable and recent. The DRAM one, in contrast, took place over something like a decade, had an unclear impact on each individual consumer, and given the length of time, it was difficult to calculate what losses had been incurred by any given party. In this case, the amounts are generally much larger, and tickets are sold at most 12 months out (and typically much shorter), so most customers should have pretty good records. And the remedy is pretty clear - AC can simply refund us all our money.
Conserving cash is important, but advance ticket sales aren't nearly as meaningful to AC's balance sheet as you think. At December 31, 2019, AC had $6 billion of cash and $2.94 billion of advance ticket sales. I've already done a more detailed analysis elsewhere.
Write to your MP. Write to Garneau. Write to the CTA. That's what I've done, and have encouraged my non-FT friends to do when they've run in to this issue. The government isn't going to respond to us .....ing on FT, but if enough people start making a stink about this, they might do something. (Which would hopefully ensure that the CTA doesn't allow airlines to file tariffs that don't contain reasonable refund provisions).
Associated with this will be a claim of bad faith. The Airlines persisted in selling airline tickets right up until the Canadian government made its more explicit return to Canada request and moved to stop international flights. This isn't about the stupidity of people who continued to fly. Rather it is about a business decision to keep selling tickets that the airlines were aware that they would not be able to honour. They were gambling with customer funds. The airlines had a duty of care to warn customers as far back as mid February as the pandemic grew that there was a strong likelihood that flights would be cancelled. It was evident this would explode even then. Yes, there was a responsibility of the customers to act in a prudent manner, but the airline industry dropped the ball on this.
Furthermore, any tickets/credits that are honoured don't become claims against AC in an insolvency, because AC has fulfilled (or will fulfill) its obligation.
No one can say for sure what would happen to travel credits in an insolvency. It would depend in part on the scope of the problem. If it's relatively small, compared to the other liabilities, they may simply be left untouched rather than having to go through the potentially significant hassle of appointing representation for the holders and dealing with their rights, as well as thorny questions such as whether a haircut should be imposed on amounts charged to cover true 3rd party charges - AIFs, GST, UK APD, etc. It may be less costly to the parties involved to simply leave the travel credits in place.
The only people who win in class actions are the lawyers. The defendant takes a huge financial hit which hurts its business (and ultimately its customers). They are usually settled for a portion of the claimed amount and then the lawyers take a huge cut, leaving the plaintiffs in a case like this with very little, after years of waiting. They are usually portrayed as some great win for "the little guy", touting multi-million dollar wins, but this is far from the reality for most plaintiffs.
Somewhat of a false narrative, the objective is to change behaviour more than it is to save all-encompassing net cash costs to consumers. Personally, I think the objectives of the lawsuit are overshadowed by the probability that any sniff of large success by the plaintiffs will lead to immediate bankruptcy protection for AC (and similarly for WestJet or any other Canadian airline subject to a similar suit); if they aren't already there by the time this gets to trial (if ever).
Write to your MP. Write to Garneau. Write to the CTA. That's what I've done, and have encouraged my non-FT friends to do when they've run in to this issue. The government isn't going to respond to us .....ing on FT, but if enough people start making a stink about this, they might do something. (Which would hopefully ensure that the CTA doesn't allow airlines to file tariffs that don't contain reasonable refund provisions).
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Sorry, it turns out the Canadian Transportation Agency has already ruled that airlines do not need to provide cash refunds for flight cancellations, effective 25 March. https://onemileatatime.com/canada-re...ght-cancelled/
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Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought AC only received the money when the flight was actually flown. I read (somewhere, quite possible on this forum) that the CC company keeps the money until then.
Anyhow I echo others' comments (and my own) that a credit would be 'OK' if it could be used like a gift card. Today I ate the $600 non-refundable portion of a May flight to get most ($3600) of my money back exactly for this reason. I have no idea if I'll be flying within the next year on a flight that costs at least $4200 and didn't want to take that risk
Anyhow I echo others' comments (and my own) that a credit would be 'OK' if it could be used like a gift card. Today I ate the $600 non-refundable portion of a May flight to get most ($3600) of my money back exactly for this reason. I have no idea if I'll be flying within the next year on a flight that costs at least $4200 and didn't want to take that risk
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Sorry, it turns out the Canadian Transportation Agency has already ruled that airlines do not need to provide cash refunds for flight cancellations, effective 25 March. https://onemileatatime.com/canada-re...ght-cancelled/
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The proposition that AC should allow the credits to be used to rebook same origin and destination with no fare difference or ADCOL applicable won't work, because then everybody will want to rebook their flights during peak periods such as Christmas, spring break and summer.
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To me, the major issue if credits were consolidated to a gift card or some other similar payment form is the loss of credit card travel insurance. There is no easy or perfect solution to this situation folks, unless AC decides to unilaterally refund, which is something I don't see happening at this point.
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To me, the major issue if credits were consolidated to a gift card or some other similar payment form is the loss of credit card travel insurance. There is no easy or perfect solution to this situation folks, unless AC decides to unilaterally refund, which is something I don't see happening at this point.
What are you trying to protect from ? If it's about the risk of having to cancel a trip , you just pay $100-$200 cancellation fee to the airline and the trip cost will be put back in a travel voucher or gift card.
emergency healthcare during a trip ? Most credit card emergency health policies don't require you to have paid with the same card be covered, just need to be a cardholder of a card that provides such coverage.
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I got one of those e-mails too for domestic May travel.
Part of the e-mail included:
"If you have a non refundable fare, you can still cancel your trip and receive 100% of the unused value of your ticket as a future travel credit. This credit is valid for travel before April 30, 2021. "
Part of the e-mail included:
"If you have a non refundable fare, you can still cancel your trip and receive 100% of the unused value of your ticket as a future travel credit. This credit is valid for travel before April 30, 2021. "
I kept my original cancellation confirmation with the 24 month validity which came immediately upon selecting the voucher option vs the partial refund. I am ignoring this one.
But what's up with this?
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how expensive is it to buy standalone travel insurance or trip cancellation/interruption insurance ?
What are you trying to protect from ? If it's about the risk of having to cancel a trip , you just pay $100-$200 cancellation fee to the airline and the trip cost will be put back in a travel voucher or gift card.
emergency healthcare during a trip ? Most credit card emergency health policies don't require you to have paid with the same card be covered, just need to be a cardholder of a card that provides such coverage.
What are you trying to protect from ? If it's about the risk of having to cancel a trip , you just pay $100-$200 cancellation fee to the airline and the trip cost will be put back in a travel voucher or gift card.
emergency healthcare during a trip ? Most credit card emergency health policies don't require you to have paid with the same card be covered, just need to be a cardholder of a card that provides such coverage.
As for the protections, here's what you get from an Amex Platinum card (copied straight from amex.com, apologies for the poor formatting). You'll notice that most require that you charge travel arrangements to the card.
- Out of Province/Country Emergency Medical Insurance
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- Trip Cancellation Insurance
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- Trip Interruption Insurance
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- $500,000 Travel Accident Insurance
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- Car Rental Theft and Damage Insurance
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- Flight Delay Insurance
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- Baggage Delay Insurance
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- Lost or Stolen Baggage Insurance
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- Hotel/Motel Burglary Insurance
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Here's my speculation, assuming AC survives.
They'll refund all these credits to the original form of payment after the crisis is over and there's no longer a liquidity crunch.
This class action will be a massive waste of money, since it won't see the inside of a courtroom by then.
They'll refund all these credits to the original form of payment after the crisis is over and there's no longer a liquidity crunch.
This class action will be a massive waste of money, since it won't see the inside of a courtroom by then.



