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Jumper Jack Mar 1, 2018 4:46 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ite-asian-bias
https://i.imgur.com/EHU07wQ.png

Wilberg said that in 2016 and 2017, he and his fellow recruiters were told on several occasions to approve or dismiss job candidates based solely on whether they were women, black or Latino. In March 2017, a YouTube staffing manager emailed recruiters and told them, "Please continue with L3 [level three] candidates in process and only accept new L3 candidates that are from historically underrepresented groups." In another email, the same manager wrote, "We should only consider L3s from our underrepresented groups."
I actually been hearing rumbles from university classmates about this happening on the tech hiring side, at first I thought it was sour grapes but wow I guess its real.

https://i.imgur.com/pL5Bh4O.png

Last spring, YouTube recruiters were allegedly instructed to cancel interviews with applicants who weren’t female, black or Hispanic, and to “purge entirely” the applications of people who didn’t fit those categories, the lawsuit claims.
People familiar with YouTube’s and Google’s hiring practices in interviews corroborated some of the lawsuit’s allegations, including the hiring freeze of white and Asian technical employees, and YouTube’s use of quotas.

jc94 Mar 1, 2018 5:23 pm

Yep, it’s positive discrimination I believe the term is. May not be politically correct to say but if I have 10 candidates for a software developer job odds are at most 3 will be women. If all three of them suck why should I have to hire an inferior candidate?

And for reference, last time we hired a male and female candidate the female was by far the best hire :) She quit for more money, the other moved on.

RangerNS Mar 1, 2018 5:27 pm

Competence, drive, and being a HR check-mark is a great path to success. Did she also have an impressive github history?

24left Mar 1, 2018 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by jc94 (Post 29474901)
Yep, it’s positive discrimination I believe the term is. May not be politically correct to say but if I have 10 candidates for a software developer job odds are at most 3 will be women. If all three of them suck why should I have to hire an inferior candidate?

.....

I was sure the term was "reverse discrimination"

For those who weren't born yet, this was a most famous case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent..._Cal._v._Bakke

SKYEG Mar 1, 2018 5:59 pm

Have you guys ever drove Vancouver to Winnipeg? It's good until Calgary and gets progressively worse and worse and once you get to Brandon you just want to give up. What a boring drive...

I appreciate flying so much more now.

jc94 Mar 1, 2018 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by RangerNS (Post 29474912)
Competence, drive, and being a HR check-mark is a great path to success. Did she also have an impressive github history?

Was this at me? Was a junior position right out of University a number of years back, none of the candidates has anything on Github.


Originally Posted by 24left (Post 29474925)
I was sure the term was "reverse discrimination"

For those who weren't born yet, this was a most famous case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent..._Cal._v._Bakke

Possibly yeah, all the new fangled terms. Just hire the best person for the job regardless of age, sex, ethnicity or species.

jc94 Mar 1, 2018 8:22 pm

So it’s 10:20 here in the center if the Universe and there is no snow, no rain and there’s barely any wind, I just went out for a 5km run and it’s actually quite pleasant.

pewpew Mar 1, 2018 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by Jumper Jack (Post 29474818)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ite-asian-bias
https://i.imgur.com/EHU07wQ.png


I actually been hearing rumbles from university classmates about this happening on the tech hiring side, at first I thought it was sour grapes but wow I guess its real.

https://i.imgur.com/pL5Bh4O.png

I mean, it's sort of a historically revisionist argument. A lot of Canada and the US is built on what is essentially slave labour from Asian (including South Asian) countries up until the mid 1900s. Men would be brought over, work for a few years, then sent back if they survived. They were ineligible for citizenship. Women were rarely allowed to come over. So if in the decades since Asian/Indian American and Canadian males were able to truly consider themselves as American/Canadian, they have been able to turn themselves around, that doesn't mean they aren't disadvantaged. Similarly, the definition of white has changed pretty quickly: what was it only a few decades ago that the Irish (or Italians, I forget) were ruining society?

But that argument doesn't play as well with people, I guess

24left Mar 1, 2018 9:35 pm


Originally Posted by jc94 (Post 29475308)
So it’s 10:20 here in the center if the Universe and there is no snow, no rain and there’s barely any wind, I just went out for a 5km run and it’s actually quite pleasant.

11:30pm here and it's snowing here. Sticking to cars but not to the roads....yet....lol

knotseh Mar 2, 2018 12:28 am


Originally Posted by Jumper Jack (Post 29451562)
Just taking a temperature here, nothing set in stone yet.
Anyone interested in a mini-do in YVR on a Saturday early March? (Thinking March 3 or 10)

I could so a lunch mini do on the 10th. Assuming I can get my flight pass to work I'll land the night before.

pewpew Mar 2, 2018 1:25 am

TFW the (LH) GA asks you to check your rollaboard because "it's full" but the overhead bins aren't even ⅓ full :rolleyes:

I didn't do it :cool:

canadiancow Mar 2, 2018 9:36 am


Originally Posted by Jumper Jack (Post 29451562)
Just taking a temperature here, nothing set in stone yet.
Anyone interested in a mini-do in YVR on a Saturday early March? (Thinking March 3 or 10)


Originally Posted by Yhztraveller (Post 29459451)
RangerNS and I are discussing a “do” (do you need quotes??) for YHZ around the end of April. Early plans involve alcohol and throwing axes (at targets on a wall!). What coud go wrong???

Feel free to bring your favorite picture or corporate logo to use as a target.

March 3 is a no go for me. 10 is possible.

RangerNS Mar 2, 2018 11:07 am


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 29477065)
March 3 is a no go for me. 10 is possible.

Both YVR and YHZ is a stretch on the same day, even for you, no?

canadiancow Mar 2, 2018 11:44 am


Originally Posted by RangerNS (Post 29477466)
Both YVR and YHZ is a stretch on the same day, even for you, no?

Oops. Forgot what I had quoted. A week off and I don't know how to use FT any more :p

YVR is easy March 10.

I'd prefer 14 days notice for YHZ, to allow easy IKK, but I'm game.

jc94 Mar 2, 2018 6:21 pm

You know with time zones you could do YHZ in the morning and YVR in the evening. Though transferring through YOW/YYZ in March .. eeek.


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