AC ignores multiple SFO ATC go around orders Oct22
Oct 26, 2017, 11:31 am
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Oct 26, 2017, 11:37 am
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I have not seen anything implying that there was a fault within the radio itself. The pilot said they had "a radio problem" (ref), which includes things like operator error.
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Oct 26, 2017, 1:06 pm
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I feel like we are disussing how to pronounce tomatoe. In fact, what happened is not evidence of the degree of care. It could be argued that it is evidence of how effective the actions taken are.
Oct 26, 2017, 1:09 pm
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Dan Quayle here?
Oct 26, 2017, 1:42 pm
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Can you explain that again for me? What makes it more suspicious?
Oct 26, 2017, 2:10 pm
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I don't; I can't find a story that states either way (the search gets lost in the stories about how the CVR was conveniently erased in the taxiway incident), and assumed that if the plane flew out an hour later that it wasn't pulled. Did you see it specifically mentioned somewhere? If they did pull it, great; I hope it adds some value to the investigation.
Oct 26, 2017, 3:55 pm
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I don't; I can't find a story that states either way (the search gets lost in the stories about how the CVR was conveniently erased in the taxiway incident), and assumed that if the plane flew out an hour later that it wasn't pulled. Did you see it specifically mentioned somewhere? If they did pull it, great; I hope it adds some value to the investigation.
Oct 26, 2017, 5:07 pm
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Social media overdrive along with lack of simple initial details which ACA and TSB are privy to.
AC781 - Was there a technical problem with all three radios? Was the CVR erased? Why is even a talk about CVR being erased? That is illegal in lot of countries.
India incident - What was the fuel quantity upon landing? It is your plane, your crew, your information. Unless plane is still in India and someone is measuring with 5 gallon buckets, it shouldn't take this long. Was CVR erased?
AC781 - Was there a technical problem with all three radios? Was the CVR erased? Why is even a talk about CVR being erased? That is illegal in lot of countries.
India incident - What was the fuel quantity upon landing? It is your plane, your crew, your information. Unless plane is still in India and someone is measuring with 5 gallon buckets, it shouldn't take this long. Was CVR erased?
Oct 26, 2017, 5:11 pm
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Social media overdrive along with lack of simple initial details which ACA and TSB are privy to.
AC781 - Was there a technical problem with all three radios? Was the CVR erased? Why is even a talk about CVR being erased? That is illegal in lot of countries.
India incident - What was the fuel quantity upon landing? It is your plane, your crew, your information. Unless plane is still in India and someone is measuring with 5 gallon buckets, it shouldn't take this long. Was CVR erased?
AC781 - Was there a technical problem with all three radios? Was the CVR erased? Why is even a talk about CVR being erased? That is illegal in lot of countries.
India incident - What was the fuel quantity upon landing? It is your plane, your crew, your information. Unless plane is still in India and someone is measuring with 5 gallon buckets, it shouldn't take this long. Was CVR erased?
Oct 26, 2017, 5:16 pm
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OK. I suppose.
That doesn't really surprise me at all (and it certainly doesn't alarm me) ... but ... to each their own.
Oct 27, 2017, 5:14 am
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So your primary concern, and thus source of suspicion, is that AC are active on social media ... but they are not using that platform to share all the details they have available internally ("which ACA and TSB are privy to")?
OK. I suppose.
That doesn't really surprise me at all (and it certainly doesn't alarm me) ... but ... to each their own.
OK. I suppose.
That doesn't really surprise me at all (and it certainly doesn't alarm me) ... but ... to each their own.
Is TSB even investigating any of these? Complete silence seems to be the strategy. AC46- We are in touch with India, AC781-Operating is investigating.
May be AC46 radio was not working and four mayday calls never reached ATC. Good for goose is good for gander.
The aviation analyst on CBC put it will, the broken radio theory seems to be CMA strategy.
Oct 27, 2017, 8:29 am
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The crew may have said there was a "radio problem" but the most likely outcome is that the problem was caused by a bumped setting on the ACP.
Because the radios were serviceable (proof: they worked just fine once on ground) they didn't bother to snag anything in the logbook and the radios were never inspected, until the full gravity of the situation came to light after the ASR was sent in.
They'll get a stern talking to by the Chief Pilot and both pilots will promise to never, ever do it again. Case closed.
Because the radios were serviceable (proof: they worked just fine once on ground) they didn't bother to snag anything in the logbook and the radios were never inspected, until the full gravity of the situation came to light after the ASR was sent in.
They'll get a stern talking to by the Chief Pilot and both pilots will promise to never, ever do it again. Case closed.