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AC ignores multiple SFO ATC go around orders Oct22

Old Oct 23, 17, 10:28 pm
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AC ignores multiple SFO ATC go around orders Oct22

from nickflightz at airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1376943

ACA781 was on final at SFO when the tower instructed him to go around at least 5 times and they still landed.

Audio from tower:
https://soundcloud.com/user-771239359/oct-23-2017-0400z

from http://avherald.com/h?article=4b016414&opt=1

As result tower instructed "Air Canada seven eighty one, go around", silence for 2 seconds, tower repeated ""Air Canada seven eighty one, go around", again silence. In total the tower transmitted 5 instructions "Air Canada seven eighty one, go around", however did not receive any response, the aircraft continued the landing.

They really aren't making a good case for themselves at SFO.
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Old Oct 23, 17, 11:23 pm
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Originally Posted by expert7700 View Post

from http://avherald.com/h?article=4b016414&opt=1

As result tower instructed "Air Canada seven eighty one, go around", silence for 2 seconds, tower repeated ""Air Canada seven eighty one, go around", again silence. In total the tower transmitted 5 instructions "Air Canada seven eighty one, go around", however did not receive any response, the aircraft continued the landing.
They claim they did not hear this because of problems with their radio. The tower must have been aware that they did not get the instructions.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 1:38 am
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As the plane got closer to landing, a tower supervisor used a red light gun to alert the crew to abort the landing. A flashing light gun is “standard protocol” when an air crew is not responding to radio instructions, (FAA spokesman) Gregor said.

However, despite all those attempts to abort the landing, the Air Canada plane still landed on Runway 28R at 9:26 p.m., Gregor said.
http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/10/...mix-up-at-sfo/
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Old Oct 24, 17, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by expert7700 View Post

They really aren't making a good case for themselves at SFO.
Nor at YHZ.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 10:16 am
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ACA and TSB has lot of explaining to do. Two at SFO, one in India in recent weeks.

They shouldn't have ignored the visual warning by ATC, even if all comms were down.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by avcritic View Post
ACA and TSB has lot of explaining to do. Two at SFO, one in India in recent weeks.
The India event was hardy AC's fault IIRC.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 11:28 am
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Maybe this is a new thing. They are practicing their hard landings.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 1:11 pm
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Send SFO tower a 5% discount code for non working radio. Problem solved.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 2:53 pm
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Probably just a coincidence, but another issue with an ACA flight into SFO in the evening originating in an Eastern time zone.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 3:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1 View Post
Probably just a coincidence, but another issue with an ACA flight into SFO in the evening originating in an Eastern time zone.
Or a culture of excusing bad pilot behaviour
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Old Oct 24, 17, 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by tcook052 View Post
The India event was hardy AC's fault IIRC.
There are unanswered questions as other pilots noted, some very simple. Not a single update since the story broke.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by avcritic View Post
There are unanswered questions as other pilots noted, some very simple. Not a single update since the story broke.
Are you still referring to the India ATC incident?

What kind of "update" are you looking for?

Here's something to read

https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/20...da-flight.html

Additional "perspective" from some pilots and ATC guys here. Read what they have to say about flying in India.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/6...clearance.html
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Old Oct 24, 17, 5:49 pm
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I just watched at 6:30 pm ABC World News Tonight with David Muir and there was a segment on this...

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wire...probe-50681750
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In the case of AC781 in SFO, I think a listen to the CVR would have been interesting.
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Old Oct 24, 17, 6:29 pm
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Originally Posted by RCyyz View Post
In the case of AC781 in SFO, I think a listen to the CVR would have been interesting.
I have no evidence to support this, so take it for what it's worth:

I am virtually certain that Air Canada (again) allowed the plane to fly the next day and "accidently" overwrote the CVR. So we will never hear it.
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