But these carriers put them on their international aircraft. Which are close to 100%...

BTW, the SQ A313s do not have PTVs..

But PTVS will be useful for AC's wide body fleet. B763ERs, A333s, A343s... But I think right now will not be the time suggest them to Empress...

Nothing in life is free either.

So you are suggesting that AC should go blow loads of money and put PTVs on planes such as A320s when they usually fly on routes that aren't even long enough for a movie?

Why don't you take some time and look at the % of international flights that SQ, VS, CX, SK does versus AC.

Is it a good idea for the long haul aircrafts? Sure. Is it a priority? Absolutely not.

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I do agree with Empress. Right now it is not a good idea to put them. On their new Wide body aircrafts, yes. But on their older aircraft... I think AC has other priorities... Like turning itself around.. But if they turn around (which I hope they do), I will not be surprised if they put in PTVs on AC's A333s, A343s and some of their B763ERs...

Maybe AC could do something cheaper to make the flights more enjoyable if they cant get PTVs in. Any ideas?

SMILE always helps.. But even that may be too much for the airline right now... It is difficult for the crew to smile with the things going around them...

Rumour has it that Iberia is backing out of four A340-600's, and Boeing gleeful. You can bet that Air Canada could get a deal right now on them and magically make some 747's go away at the same time.

Like I said, I think Airbus wants to push high and low with Air Canada - the middle will sort itself out soon enough. The price guarantees on much of the Airbus product will start to expire in another year or two, which means Air Canada can pick up deals or Airbus will be putting soft money into deals to keep resale values high.

MSN,
I think Boeing will likely be happy. After all Boeing threw a fit when IB went with Airbus...

But 2003 will likely not be a great year for aviation sales. As a result AC could get good prices.. But again AC has huge debts to pay.... Can they afford to?

I would just like to see AC play movies on the mainscreen period. YWG-YYZ is about 2.20 minutes give or take. Enough time to play a 80-90 minute movie. YQR-YYZ is about 3 hrs. I don't need to watch EBL Raymond and stupid short films, or the news in english and french (why can't there be two channels of audio so it only plays once?) Just play a movie. Royal used to, C3000 managed to do it, people liked it , stayed out of the aisles, drank less, and were otherwise occupied.

Oh, I would like to be running that corner of Air Canada right now. While I would prefer to take 777's, commonality and all that jazz means that Airbus is in the zone - by being a real hard head on some of the "non compete" routes, the 340's or 777's would be money spinners. In fact, absent the latest touches at Airbus, I think I would go with 777's and lock in Boeing on a swap-out to be the launch customer for the 7E7.

Doubt Boeing will bite. It seems Boeing is still learning their lesson from SQ. Although they managed to take the A343s from SQ, only 6 of them were ever placed. 3 With CX and 3 with K6. But now I have heard K6 is grounded..... So which means only 3 out of 17 have been placed. This means 14 A343s are or will be available by end of this year...

I do personally prefer the Airbus for long haul travel.. Especially in J and Y class.

I do think AC does not need too many large planes. I am sure with the delays of deliveries with the manufacturers, AC should be able to secure delivery slots with either of the manufacturers.

I would think more A340-600s and A340-500s will likely be the aircraft needed. I had heard about a plan from RM released early last year. It considted of AC purchasing 10 A345s and 10 A346s with their existing A343s, A333s and B763ERs.

While it hurts Boeing to have these A343's sitting around, it hurts more to lose sales of new Boeing metal.

Long term, Boeing is a cheaper ride, and most folks know that. Two engines less to maintain, and the whole nine yards.

Right now, production planners at Airbus are looking at their run and it is not so pretty - which is why I say the A340-600's will be a hot property to land on someone's doorstep. The pricing is excellent, and given the Canadian market, they are a safe place to put them looking forward.

Didn't Empress just tell us that AC was pulling a 747 Combi out of the desert and putting it back in service??? Now they are looking to get rid of the 747 Combi's?

A year or so back I had heard from a reliable source that AC was very close to signing a deal with Boeing for 777's. Not sure of how many etc, just that they were close to a deal. Didn't make sense at the time because of AC'' commitment to the A330/A340 program. Not sure it would make sense now.

Does anyone know if AC has taken all of the long range B767's that were on order?

That was back in Dec when AC had plans to bring back one of the ex-CAIL 744s.

There are no more 763s on order. Only A319/A320/A321/A345/A346.

Thanks Empress. Wow, back in Dec, seems like only yesterday, how time flies

Has anything been said about deferring delivery of the planes on order? Seems to me they already have more planes than they need. Especially 319's and 320's.

I have not heard anything about orders being deferred. If I recall correctly, a new A320 just came in last month and another new A319 will be coming in a few weeks.

It also depends on what ZIP intends to do. I am quite sure there's a clause in the current contract staing that the aircrafts that ZIP operates cannot have a take off weight that exceeds 737-700.