Fleet restructuring at AC
Apr 2, 2003 | 5:32 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Empress:
..I am quite sure there's a clause in the current contract staing that the aircrafts that ZIP operates cannot have a take off weight that exceeds 737-700.</font>
..I am quite sure there's a clause in the current contract staing that the aircrafts that ZIP operates cannot have a take off weight that exceeds 737-700.</font>
Apr 2, 2003 | 5:36 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Empress:
That was back in Dec when AC had plans to bring back one of the ex-CAIL 744s.
There are no more 763s on order. Only A319/A320/A321/A345/A346.</font>
That was back in Dec when AC had plans to bring back one of the ex-CAIL 744s.
There are no more 763s on order. Only A319/A320/A321/A345/A346.</font>
[This message has been edited by fromYYZ_flyer (edited 04-02-2003).]
Apr 2, 2003 | 5:43 pm
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IB is nowhere close to dumping orders for the A340-600, they just confirmed the order count to Airbus today. The firm vs. options changed (market conditions) but the order WAS confirmed.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...irbus_iberia_1
Also on the PTV's it's ALOT cheaper to add these prior to interior fit out than adding them later or sacrificing the product compared to CX/SQ/BA.
Remember AC has competitors... Sacrificing the product is great for the short term but horrendous a year down the road.
Adding PTV's or other in cabin eqiupment isn't going to alter the overall cash state of AC on leased aircraft.
[This message has been edited by NickP 1K (edited 04-02-2003).]
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...irbus_iberia_1
Also on the PTV's it's ALOT cheaper to add these prior to interior fit out than adding them later or sacrificing the product compared to CX/SQ/BA.
Remember AC has competitors... Sacrificing the product is great for the short term but horrendous a year down the road.
Adding PTV's or other in cabin eqiupment isn't going to alter the overall cash state of AC on leased aircraft.
[This message has been edited by NickP 1K (edited 04-02-2003).]
Apr 2, 2003 | 5:44 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by exAC:
Another of those contract clauses that is up for re-negots. Look for ZIP to be the New Domestic Air Canada.</font>
Another of those contract clauses that is up for re-negots. Look for ZIP to be the New Domestic Air Canada.</font>
Apr 2, 2003 | 5:58 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NickP 1K:
IB is nowhere close to dumping orders for the A340-600, they just confirmed the order count to Airbus today. The firm vs. options changed (market conditions) but the order WAS confirmed.</font>
IB is nowhere close to dumping orders for the A340-600, they just confirmed the order count to Airbus today. The firm vs. options changed (market conditions) but the order WAS confirmed.</font>
Apr 2, 2003 | 6:16 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Maybe AC could do something cheaper to make the flights more enjoyable if they cant get PTVs in. Any ideas?</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Another of those contract clauses that is up for re-negots. Look for ZIP to be the New Domestic Air Canada</font>
Apr 2, 2003 | 6:18 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Maybe AC could do something cheaper to make the flights more enjoyable if they cant get PTVs in. Any ideas?</font>
How 'bout on board rentals of DVD players and a movie?
Apr 2, 2003 | 7:00 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Empress:
...I have not heard anything about orders being deferred. If I recall correctly, a new A320 just came in last month and another new A319 will be coming in a few weeks.
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...I have not heard anything about orders being deferred. If I recall correctly, a new A320 just came in last month and another new A319 will be coming in a few weeks.
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Apr 2, 2003 | 8:57 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by msn:
While it hurts Boeing to have these A343's sitting around, it hurts more to lose sales of new Boeing metal.
Long term, Boeing is a cheaper ride, and most folks know that. Two engines less to maintain, and the whole nine yards.
Right now, production planners at Airbus are looking at their run and it is not so pretty - which is why I say the A340-600's will be a hot property to land on someone's doorstep. The pricing is excellent, and given the Canadian market, they are a safe place to put them looking forward.</font>
While it hurts Boeing to have these A343's sitting around, it hurts more to lose sales of new Boeing metal.
Long term, Boeing is a cheaper ride, and most folks know that. Two engines less to maintain, and the whole nine yards.
Right now, production planners at Airbus are looking at their run and it is not so pretty - which is why I say the A340-600's will be a hot property to land on someone's doorstep. The pricing is excellent, and given the Canadian market, they are a safe place to put them looking forward.</font>
Actually the argument of the Quads vs Twins is very much subjective. Quads are supposed to be better for long haul, while twins are better for shorter hauls...
Actually the A346 still has a good delivery slots for this year.
MU, IB and LH become new users of the aircraft this year. SA and VS also get more planes this year. Delivery slots are fairly full right now. It might not be that easy to order and get them delivered this year.
Apr 2, 2003 | 9:15 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by msn:
Looks like 9 hard just went down to 5 - I would say that's got to hurt. Everyone knows options are good for zilch right now - just ask Embraer.</font>
Looks like 9 hard just went down to 5 - I would say that's got to hurt. Everyone knows options are good for zilch right now - just ask Embraer.</font>
Options still do carry some weight as prices are usually guranteed and there is a fee for it.
With regards to Embraer, they also say their firm order get halved... Swiss basically cannot afford the full order. It was an outright cancellation of both firm orders and options.. That hurts.
With the IB, there was no order placed until today.. So 5 planes is still better than zero. Order book infact grew by 5 aircraft..
Apr 2, 2003 | 10:00 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by fromYYZ_flyer:
Maybe AC could do something cheaper to make the flights more enjoyable if they cant get PTVs in. Any ideas?</font>
Maybe AC could do something cheaper to make the flights more enjoyable if they cant get PTVs in. Any ideas?</font>
Apr 3, 2003 | 6:59 am
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One has to ask why can a "discount airline" like Jetblue offer FREE seat back PTV's, with 22 channels of DirectTv no less in every seat on it's A320's and a "full service" airline like AC doesn't?
Apr 3, 2003 | 10:44 am
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Has there been any changes on the delivery of aircraft into the AC fleet?
B767,
Very few carriers provide Free seat back PTVs in North America. Yes, Jet Blue provides them and Song... DL's low cost carrier also hopes to provide them.. But not immediately...While DL mainline will not see them on their fleet for the time being.
Installing them will be great. But it is usually very expensive and time consuming to install them , especially when the plane is already operating. For new aircraft it is great to have them installed prior to service as AC hopes on their A345s.
But I suspect right now AC will need to concentrate on cutting costs before thinking about sepnding more money.
B767,
Very few carriers provide Free seat back PTVs in North America. Yes, Jet Blue provides them and Song... DL's low cost carrier also hopes to provide them.. But not immediately...While DL mainline will not see them on their fleet for the time being.
Installing them will be great. But it is usually very expensive and time consuming to install them , especially when the plane is already operating. For new aircraft it is great to have them installed prior to service as AC hopes on their A345s.
But I suspect right now AC will need to concentrate on cutting costs before thinking about sepnding more money.