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Old May 11, 2017, 3:09 pm
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Such that it is actually searchable text - one of the important changes to the Aeroplan program in 2019 for Super Elites:

New for Air Canada Altitude Super Elite 100K members: Complimentary changes and refunds
Beginning July 15, 2019, Air Canada Super Elite 100K members will no longer be charged a fee when they request a change to their Flight Reward booking. Additionally, these members will also no longer be charged a fee to refund their bookings. These fee waivers will apply to all bookings, including those made prior to the new policy coming into effect.


Read the below screenshots for the rest.

July 15 2019
"AEROPLAN FLIGHT REWARDS: NOW WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY AND PEACE-OF-MIND"

https://www.aeroplan.com/whats_new/news_articles.do?dl=WhatsNew_WEBUP31000285_2019_07 _15¤tLanguage=en




New chart with fees in this post

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/31306687-post1334.html



Older news releases from 2017 below




Air Canada "What You Need to Know"

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...d-to-know.html

Air Canada Press Release May 11, 2017

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=1135

Aeroplan News "To Our Valued Members" - May 11, 2017

https://www5.aeroplan.com/whats_new/...New_2017_05_09


Aeroplan & Air Canada update

We'd like to help our members understand the latest news about our partner, Air Canada.


https://www5.aeroplan.com/aircanada-...id=BAN30000311

From Aeroplan - UPDATE May 31, 2017

https://www5.aeroplan.com/aircanada-and-aeroplan-update.do


Aeroplan Saga Ends in a Long, Financial Detour:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...ticle35080509/



August 11 2017

"We're on solid ground so your plans can take flight."

https://www.aeroplan.com/program-updates.do?currentLanguage=en&cid=008692096

"Five things you need to know about your miles"

https://www.aeroplan.com/five-things-about-your-miles.do?currentLanguage=en


September 19, 2017 - Investor Day Presentation

https://www.aeroplan.com/five-things-about-your-miles.do?currentLanguage=en


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Old May 11, 2017, 6:19 am
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We will also probably need another thread on "speculation about what the new FF will look like".

With the opportunity to start from scratch and not allowing transfers, I would not be shocked if they were to announce a pure $$-based program rather than miles-based
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:20 am
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AIM bid/ask is $7.9 last I checked, OUCH


Damn, I can't burn off all my Aeroplan miles in 3 YEARS

Can airlines even do that... spin off their FFP and then kinda "reset it" and introduce new FFP?
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:21 am
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Originally Posted by pmich
Any speculation if this will be better or worse for consumers. Some of the points needed for long haul flights especially business class requirements I find are quite good on Aeroplan.
Yes, it will be better. One neck to strangle. An example, AC could offer benefits like free changes to Altitude members that they can't afford today because AP demands to get paid full rate for every change. Expect small things like that, which are highly frustrating, to be improved.
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:26 am
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Originally Posted by InTheAirGuy
Do the right thing: AE points as of June 2020 are transferred to new program 1:1 for status members.
This... but ain't gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Plumber
The real issue for all of us if how will we be able to redeem these miles. I, like many others. have close to 1 Million AP miles. I believe that IKK for J seats will be more limited than before.
My expectation is that after mid 2020 flight redemptions will all be similar ot what are "market fares" today. Need to figure out how I can possibly burn my (and my family's) miles over the next three years while still maintaining SE.

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Can airlines even do that... spin off their FFP and then kinda "reset it" and introduce new FFP?
Yes they can. Caveat emptor if you bought shares in Aimia
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:28 am
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Aeroplan web page won't even load for me now. Did 20 people try to go in at the same time and their servers crashed?
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:31 am
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Originally Posted by jerryhung
AIM bid/ask is $7.9 last I checked, OUCH


Damn, I can't burn off all my Aeroplan miles in 3 YEARS

Can airlines even do that... spin off their FFP and then kinda "reset it" and introduce new FFP?
Bid/Ask now at $6. Makes the yield what, 13%?

Edit: Now shows as 40 cents on TD.... can't be right.... right?
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by rehoult
Who's shorting Aimia this morning?
I am. I smell an Air Miles equivalent post 2020, and we all know how poorly Air Miles is doing in their effort to extract additional revenue from its cardmembers as of late.
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:35 am
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Air Miles was a problem the Ontario government addressed.
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by The Lev
My expectation is that after mid 2020 flight redemptions will all be similar ot what are "market fares" today. Need to figure out how I can possibly burn my (and my family's) miles over the next three years while still maintaining SE.
I agree. I was thinking the same thing. They already have a system in place where they AP is paying market price for a ticket for flights. The set redemption amounts will disappear and it will all be 'market fares'.
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:36 am
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I'm a non-status flyer, but I rack up Aeroplan points for a big splurge biz class seat for a vacation each 12-18 months I knew it was coming, but it still sucks for me because I generally get good value from my Aeroplan points.

Regardless.........Does anyone believe the ability to use Aeroplan points in the next 3 years will suffer? Thoughts on whether I should stop collecting (via credit card) sooner rather than later?
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:39 am
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AIMIA always pats itself on the back saying how great they are at loyalty programs. But without Air Canada as the anchor, there will be major issues for them to try and continue anywhere close to their current levels. The redemptions beyond flights (and J flights at that) really have very little value. . As others have stated, just look at the recent struggles at Air Miles.
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:40 am
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Originally Posted by Calliopeflyer
I'm a non-status flyer, but I rack up Aeroplan points for a big splurge biz class seat for a vacation each 12-18 months I knew it was coming, but it still sucks for me because I generally get good value from my Aeroplan points.

Regardless.........Does anyone believe the ability to use Aeroplan points in the next 3 years will suffer? Thoughts on whether I should stop collecting (via credit card) sooner rather than later?
Aeroplan web page does load for me,just checked.

One of the major benefit selections for me as SE was the "double miles" to AE for miles flown. A benefit devaluation by default?
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:41 am
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Originally Posted by Calliopeflyer
Regardless.........Does anyone believe the ability to use Aeroplan points in the next 3 years will suffer? Thoughts on whether I should stop collecting (via credit card) sooner rather than later?
The issue is that there is x Billion points sitting out there waiting to be redeemed. Many, many people will now expedite those redemptions to get maximum value (ie before AP is forced into only a market -fare based redemption system. I believe it will now be more difficult to redeem over the next 3 years.
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:41 am
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Originally Posted by Calliopeflyer
I'm a non-status flyer, but I rack up Aeroplan points for a big splurge biz class seat for a vacation each 12-18 months I knew it was coming, but it still sucks for me because I generally get good value from my Aeroplan points.

Regardless.........Does anyone believe the ability to use Aeroplan points in the next 3 years will suffer? Thoughts on whether I should stop collecting (via credit card) sooner rather than later?
I have been moving my points collection to SPG for the flexibility, but given the unknowns about *that* program I would not put too much faith there.

I collect/burn a Europe or Asia business class flight through (mostly) organic cc spend every 8-12 months. I am not planning any changes from SPG / work Aeroplan Amex / Alaska CC spend (and churn) for the next year or so.
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Old May 11, 2017, 6:42 am
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Can't say this surprises me. Just glad that I wasn't keeping any money in AIMIA. The airlines' spin-off of "loyalty program" narrative always struck me as sort of a narrative rooted in peddling a sleazy, greedy approach under cover of watching out for investors and consumers.
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