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threeputt Nov 23, 2016 6:11 pm

Why, where did those numbers come from?? How about gifting E75 for 50K AQD and 150K AQM, makes as much sense.

canadiancow Nov 23, 2016 6:41 pm

I assume the numbers are just high enough to prevent Jack's dad from gifting him E50K :p

7strong Nov 23, 2016 8:38 pm

The issue I have with the changes for March 1, 2017 has to do with the timing of the announcement.
After paying/flying/qualifying all of 2016, the "privileges" are changed suddenly with only 6 weeks left in the year.
Regardless of whether or not you feel the changes are reasonable, changing the rules of the game at this point in the year is unfair.

Has Air Canada done this in the past?

canadiancow Nov 23, 2016 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by 7strong (Post 27521041)
The issue I have with the changes for March 1, 2017 has to do with the timing of the announcement.
After paying/flying/qualifying all of 2016, the "privileges" are changed suddenly with only 6 weeks left in the year.
Regardless of whether or not you feel the changes are reasonable, changing the rules of the game at this point in the year is unfair.

Has Air Canada done this in the past?

Every year :p

hydrogen Nov 23, 2016 9:57 pm


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 27485064)
They should make the gift E50 only for SEs with $26,000 AQD and 150,000 AQM.

If you give them these kind of ideas, they are just going to make E50K gifting a threshold gift...

On another note, it would be sad to be the E75K with 150K AQM but no threshold gift because didn't get enough AQD to make SE.

SparseFlyer Nov 23, 2016 10:01 pm


Originally Posted by hydrogen (Post 27521201)
If you give them these kind of ideas, they are just going to make E50K gifting a threshold gift...

On another note, it would be sad to be the E75K with 150K AQM but no threshold gift because didn't get enough AQD to make SE.

If E50K was a threshold gift, I think more than one SE would be happy.

Matter of fact, I am almost willing to bet that this itself would be enough to convince a couple of FFs to stick with AC.

Jumper Jack Nov 23, 2016 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 27521213)
If E50K was a threshold gift, I think more than one SE would be happy.

Matter of fact, I am almost willing to bet that this itself would be enough to convince a couple of FFs to stick with AC.

Making the program worse by cutting a key benefit will convince people to stay with AC?
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SparseFlyer Nov 23, 2016 11:45 pm

Yes.

Because real SEs will be able to select eUps AND gift E50K.

So technically, it would be an enhancement for the customers that count.

With many SEs having SO or family (or even friends) that would probably love to *G extended to them.

Think of an SEs wife wanting to travel with benefits without needing the husband around.

Sean Peever Nov 24, 2016 12:02 am


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 27485064)
They should make the gift E50 only for SEs with $26,000 AQD and 150,000 AQM.


Originally Posted by threeputt (Post 27520629)
Why, where did those numbers come from?? How about gifting E75 for 50K AQD and 150K AQM, makes as much sense.


Originally Posted by yyznomad (Post 27520538)
Agreed! ;)


Originally Posted by canadiancow (Post 27520730)
I assume the numbers are just high enough to prevent Jack's dad from gifting him E50K :p


Pretty sure it's

SE 100,000 AQM / $20,000 AQD
50k 50,000 AQM / $6,000 AQD

add them up.

DrunkCargo Nov 24, 2016 2:50 am


Originally Posted by Sean Peever (Post 27516019)
There is a very fundamental thing you are missing here which is mailing address != residency.

Which is why I said upthread that it's fair to say Air Canada has yet to ask anyone for proof of residency, whatever wording they have in their T&C... They've just been assuming residence = mailing address, which actually could be annoying for someone who is say, a US resident, but prefers to receive their ancillary Canadian crap mail in Canada... you know, one of many homes, pick it up once every few months kind of thing.


Originally Posted by yulred (Post 27519834)
Ben S mentioned on another thread that the Government does not have a 'fly Canadian' policy. Canadian bureaucrats can fly any airline they want, so I doubt cutting FF miles for them would be a winning proposition for AC.

And I'm surprised that there isn't a perceived conflict of interest for these public servants... It could be construed to be a "gift".


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 27521400)
Yes.

Because real SEs will be able to select eUps AND gift E50K.

So technically, it would be an enhancement for the customers that count.

With many SEs having SO or family (or even friends) that would probably love to *G extended to them.

Think of an SEs wife wanting to travel with benefits without needing the husband around.

You could just pay for her J? What other benefits? It's just *G, not SE.

But anyhow, if it was a threshold gift, imagine, you'd have to fly 150k before you can grant that gift for the same benefit year? Aside from yyznomad, that means the benefit year for your spouse or whoever would only start mid-year?

Suffice it to say, the 50k gift is really only one of economic benefit. Everything you're granted with that status can be purchased independently.

acysb87 Nov 24, 2016 5:52 am


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 27521400)
.....

Think of an SEs wife wanting to travel with benefits without needing the husband around.

Mrs.acysb87 has this concern,often :(

YEG_SE4Life Nov 24, 2016 5:58 am


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 27521213)
If E50K was a threshold gift, I think more than one SE would be happy.

Matter of fact, I am almost willing to bet that this itself would be enough to convince a couple of FFs to stick with AC.

Not this one. It looks like AC puts a 250.00 gift value on the 150K threshold. I suspect they value E50K higher than 250.00. With the AE gift card option, you would be giving up actual cash for the E50K gift (500.00 if at the 200K threshold, 1,000.00 if at the 250K threshold). Instead, many people are giving eUps back at the end of the season. I will be giving more than 50 eUps back. That means that the eUps I forgave to gift the E50K to my son actually had no value to me at all.

Cozmo456 Nov 24, 2016 8:41 am

The last time they waited this long to announce the next year's qualification, they dropped the AQD on us. What lovely trick do we have in store?

Wpgjetse Nov 24, 2016 10:18 am


Originally Posted by SparseFlyer (Post 27521400)
Yes.

Because real SEs will be able to select eUps AND gift E50K.

So technically, it would be an enhancement for the customers that count.

With many SEs having SO or family (or even friends) that would probably love to *G extended to them.

Think of an SEs wife wanting to travel with benefits without needing the husband around.

My wife loves her E50K lifetime I gave her.

Wpgjetse Nov 24, 2016 10:25 am


Originally Posted by yulred (Post 27519834)
Ben S mentioned on another thread that the Government does not have a 'fly Canadian' policy. Canadian bureaucrats can fly any airline they want, so I doubt cutting FF miles for them would be a winning proposition for AC.

They may not have a fly Canadian policy, but since most Canadian government travel is within Canada, it would be hard to fly non Canadian airlines. Also, employees must fly airlines that the CDN government have agreements with first.


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