Important changes to the Aeroplan program (2015)
#61




Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: SEA
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They increased my favourite mini-RTW by about 40%, but I was unsurprised that it is finally getting enhanced. For a while I really just thought they didn't know.
Although those points I accidentally threw over to AP this summer (VDBd up from bargain basement 50% fare into 125% fare + cash) now go not as far. Oh well.
Although those points I accidentally threw over to AP this summer (VDBd up from bargain basement 50% fare into 125% fare + cash) now go not as far. Oh well.
#62




Join Date: Dec 2000
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Posts: 4,141
Maybe the Asian carriers (OZ, TG, SQ, NH etc.) complained that too many of their own passengers were accruing points on AC as opposed to their own programs? Perhaps this is a move to discourage Asia based flyers from accumulating points on AC?
#63
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 16,092
Well, I'm just as anoyed at the Europe J increase as the next person, but I should point out (hesitantly, as I don't want to give AE any ideas) that Europe 1 Y redemptions have been at 60,000 for as long as I've been redeaming AE miles, which is since the early '90s. And the realignment of Poland into Europe 2 makes more geographical sense, even though it sucks for LOT redemptions. Actually, these changes will probably inspire me to go for Europe 2 redemptions more, as there's a much less jump from Europe 1 now.


Aeroplan charges 60,000 miles + $900 CAD for a return redemption North America-Europe-North America on LH. Assuming each mile is worth $0.02 CAD, that's another 45,000 miles you have to pay in the form of cash co-pay for a total of 105,000 miles. While you may remember the 60K miles level has not changed since as far as you can remember, surely, you can also recall there was no $900 worth of co-pay either back then. The effective mileage cost of such a trip is in fact 105,000 miles even though the base cost didn't change.
Likewise, I posted Iberia Plus redemption as a point of comparison. Iberia Plus and British Airways Executive Club share the Avios program, their equivalent of Aeroplan for which you can transfer your BA miles to IB, one to one. As you know, Canadians have a number of ways of earning BA miles, namely though RBC's Avion Card or the BA co-brand Visa, or through HSBC, or AMEX Rewards or SPG. Essentially, you can earn those Iberia Plus miles simply using your Canadian based BA credit cards, then transfer them 1 to 1 to Iberia without any fee or surcharge and the transfer is instantaneous. More importantly, Iberia does not charge any fuel surcharge on its own metal regardless of your elite status. While my screenshot is in Spanish, they have an English website which you can use to redeem your points, so don't be afraid if you can't read Spanish. So the cost comes to 22,000 miles + $185 USD, which is about 22,000 miles + $240 CAD. Using the same formula, $245 CAD is really worth 12,000 miles most of which is actual taxes that you have to pay anyway. The effective cost of the award is 34,000 miles roundtrip vs. 105,000 miles with Aeroplan.
In a nutshell, even in Y, you are paying more than triple of what would have cost you in miles vs. another frequent flyer program readily available in Canada via numerous other credit cards via RBC, HSBC or AMEX. Not to mention, BA often runs bonus promotions for points transfers from these banks, sometimes up to 50%.
The bottom line is Aeroplan can afford to make these changes by killing the sweet spots of the award chart because it knows the sheep won't do anything about it. They also use backdoor ways to increase the effective award cost without changing the number of miles required in other instances, like return trip to Europe in Y.
#64


Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,686
They increased my favourite mini-RTW by about 40%, but I was unsurprised that it is finally getting enhanced. For a while I really just thought they didn't know.
Although those points I accidentally threw over to AP this summer (VDBd up from bargain basement 50% fare into 125% fare + cash) now go not as far. Oh well.
Although those points I accidentally threw over to AP this summer (VDBd up from bargain basement 50% fare into 125% fare + cash) now go not as far. Oh well.
#65


Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: YVR
Programs: Non-status bottomfeeder
Posts: 829
#66


Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 3,248
IMHO Asia 1 - Asia 1 devaluation was just a matter of time.
It was too good to be true.
Personally I'm more disappointed in NA - Europe 1 J going up by 20K.
If it went up by 10K then maybe it was alright, but 20K is a bit too steep.
Come on Aeroplan, show us you can revert devaluation announcements.
It was too good to be true.
Personally I'm more disappointed in NA - Europe 1 J going up by 20K.
If it went up by 10K then maybe it was alright, but 20K is a bit too steep.
Come on Aeroplan, show us you can revert devaluation announcements.
#69


Join Date: Jan 2011
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#71
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Join Date: Dec 2010
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I suppose if one is used to being robbed, after a while, it doesn't feel so bad:


Aeroplan charges 60,000 miles + $900 CAD for a return redemption North America-Europe-North America on LH. Assuming each mile is worth $0.02 CAD, that's another 45,000 miles you have to pay in the form of cash co-pay for a total of 105,000 miles. While you may remember the 60K miles level has not changed since as far as you can remember, surely, you can also recall there was no $900 worth of co-pay either back then. The effective mileage cost of such a trip is in fact 105,000 miles even though the base cost didn't change.
Likewise, I posted Iberia Plus redemption as a point of comparison. Iberia Plus and British Airways Executive Club share the Avios program, their equivalent of Aeroplan for which you can transfer your BA miles to IB, one to one. As you know, Canadians have a number of ways of earning BA miles, namely though RBC's Avion Card or the BA co-brand Visa, or through HSBC, or AMEX Rewards or SPG. Essentially, you can earn those Iberia Plus miles simply using your Canadian based BA credit cards, then transfer them 1 to 1 to Iberia without any fee or surcharge and the transfer is instantaneous. More importantly, Iberia does not charge any fuel surcharge on its own metal regardless of your elite status. While my screenshot is in Spanish, they have an English website which you can use to redeem your points, so don't be afraid if you can't read Spanish. So the cost comes to 22,000 miles + $185 USD, which is about 22,000 miles + $240 CAD. Using the same formula, $245 CAD is really worth 12,000 miles most of which is actual taxes that you have to pay anyway. The effective cost of the award is 34,000 miles roundtrip vs. 105,000 miles with Aeroplan.
In a nutshell, even in Y, you are paying more than triple of what would have cost you in miles vs. another frequent flyer program readily available in Canada via numerous other credit cards via RBC, HSBC or AMEX. Not to mention, BA often runs bonus promotions for points transfers from these banks, sometimes up to 50%.
The bottom line is Aeroplan can afford to make these changes by killing the sweet spots of the award chart because it knows the sheep won't do anything about it. They also use backdoor ways to increase the effective award cost without changing the number of miles required in other instances, like return trip to Europe in Y.


Aeroplan charges 60,000 miles + $900 CAD for a return redemption North America-Europe-North America on LH. Assuming each mile is worth $0.02 CAD, that's another 45,000 miles you have to pay in the form of cash co-pay for a total of 105,000 miles. While you may remember the 60K miles level has not changed since as far as you can remember, surely, you can also recall there was no $900 worth of co-pay either back then. The effective mileage cost of such a trip is in fact 105,000 miles even though the base cost didn't change.
Likewise, I posted Iberia Plus redemption as a point of comparison. Iberia Plus and British Airways Executive Club share the Avios program, their equivalent of Aeroplan for which you can transfer your BA miles to IB, one to one. As you know, Canadians have a number of ways of earning BA miles, namely though RBC's Avion Card or the BA co-brand Visa, or through HSBC, or AMEX Rewards or SPG. Essentially, you can earn those Iberia Plus miles simply using your Canadian based BA credit cards, then transfer them 1 to 1 to Iberia without any fee or surcharge and the transfer is instantaneous. More importantly, Iberia does not charge any fuel surcharge on its own metal regardless of your elite status. While my screenshot is in Spanish, they have an English website which you can use to redeem your points, so don't be afraid if you can't read Spanish. So the cost comes to 22,000 miles + $185 USD, which is about 22,000 miles + $240 CAD. Using the same formula, $245 CAD is really worth 12,000 miles most of which is actual taxes that you have to pay anyway. The effective cost of the award is 34,000 miles roundtrip vs. 105,000 miles with Aeroplan.
In a nutshell, even in Y, you are paying more than triple of what would have cost you in miles vs. another frequent flyer program readily available in Canada via numerous other credit cards via RBC, HSBC or AMEX. Not to mention, BA often runs bonus promotions for points transfers from these banks, sometimes up to 50%.
The bottom line is Aeroplan can afford to make these changes by killing the sweet spots of the award chart because it knows the sheep won't do anything about it. They also use backdoor ways to increase the effective award cost without changing the number of miles required in other instances, like return trip to Europe in Y.
#72




Join Date: Nov 2004
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so glad I burned all of my AP miles in June on a last minute flight from NCE-YYZ for 30K
, no more AP credit cards for me unless they give me a 20-30% bonus sign up.
, no more AP credit cards for me unless they give me a 20-30% bonus sign up.
#73
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#75
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I was going to say "I haven't received any notice", but it came in while I was distracted away from this thread.
I don't think it's the NUMBER of miles, but the PRICE.
If the airline wants $400 for a NA-Europe1 flight in J, and you're selling miles at 0.8 cents each, you're losing money.
If they charged their partners more for the miles, they wouldn't need to do this. Their desired profit seems pretty obvious looking at the value of gift cards and toasters. They want the same thing on flights.
As for the new Android app, I'm disappointed they don't have Google login
But other than that, it's actually quite nice. There are a few things I'd change (the app icon being the most obvious), but it seems to do its job fairly well. I may have to retire my app (or at least the Aeroplan component).
If the airline wants $400 for a NA-Europe1 flight in J, and you're selling miles at 0.8 cents each, you're losing money.
If they charged their partners more for the miles, they wouldn't need to do this. Their desired profit seems pretty obvious looking at the value of gift cards and toasters. They want the same thing on flights.
As for the new Android app, I'm disappointed they don't have Google login
But other than that, it's actually quite nice. There are a few things I'd change (the app icon being the most obvious), but it seems to do its job fairly well. I may have to retire my app (or at least the Aeroplan component).


