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Pseudo Nim Nov 11, 2015 6:08 pm


Originally Posted by pierrerion (Post 25699809)
Actually what I was refering to is something different. Let me rephrase. If I make a booking right before the mileage level change, on Dec 14 2015, for a departure date Dec 12 2016 and return date Dec 13 2016 assuming AP has these flights released and available (as a place holder because I don't know my exact dates yet and want to leave as much flexibility as possible). I know they normally allow me to make change to my reservation one day before my flight date, for a fee of 90$. My question is, assuming I do make that change, on Dec 11 2016, will AP allow me to extend both the departure and return by another year, to Dec 2017? Not sure if this is clearer.

Actually, alc's answer was exactly right, and it follows what I wrote earlier.

The *maximum* duration of your ticket can be exactly 1 year from the first flown flight. So in your example, this would not quite work that way: the right way to make it work is as follows:

* Dec 14, 2015: book travel for Dec 1, 2016 first flight, Dec 10, 2016 throwaway flight (but be careful... not many airlines release space that far ahead, so you need to make sure you actually have availability!)
* Leave your ticket in a drawer for a year.
* Fly the Dec 1, 2016 flight on that day, in a year from now.
* On landing, immediately call Aeroplan and reschedule the rest of the trip to end on Dec 1, 2017 or before (ENTIRE trip must be complete within 1 year of departure (maybe arrival) of the first flight).
* Find a way to get home by yourself from wherever flight #1 took you, hopefully not too far.

pierrerion Nov 11, 2015 10:29 pm


Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim (Post 25699832)
Actually, alc's answer was exactly right, and it follows what I wrote earlier.

The *maximum* duration of your ticket can be exactly 1 year from the first flown flight. So in your example, this would not quite work that way: the right way to make it work is as follows:

* Dec 14, 2015: book travel for Dec 1, 2016 first flight, Dec 10, 2016 throwaway flight (but be careful... not many airlines release space that far ahead, so you need to make sure you actually have availability!)
* Leave your ticket in a drawer for a year.
* Fly the Dec 1, 2016 flight on that day, in a year from now.
* On landing, immediately call Aeroplan and reschedule the rest of the trip to end on Dec 1, 2017 or before (ENTIRE trip must be complete within 1 year of departure (maybe arrival) of the first flight).
* Find a way to get home by yourself from wherever flight #1 took you, hopefully not too far.

I see. Actually I want both my departure and return flights to be throwaway flights. And am I allowed to push my departure flight into 2017 as well?

Pseudo Nim Nov 11, 2015 10:47 pm


Originally Posted by pierrerion (Post 25700626)
I see. Actually I want both my departure and return flights to be throwaway flights. And am I allowed to push my departure flight into 2017 as well?

Nope - there's no way to push the departure. It *must* happen within 365 days of ticketing, so if ticketing is Dec 14 at 23:59, then before that time in 2016.

pierrerion Nov 14, 2015 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim (Post 25700672)
Nope - there's no way to push the departure. It *must* happen within 365 days of ticketing, so if ticketing is Dec 14 at 23:59, then before that time in 2016.

Understood. Thanks!

Shareholder Nov 14, 2015 12:50 pm

Given credit cards are generating fewer miles than anticipated in AE/AIMIA's last quarter, where will the miles come from for the humungous increases slated for next month? The company's position will further erode as awards become less attractive and more expensive. This is a downward spiral for sure. Changing cc partners was a big mistake and hasn't generated as many new accounts and activity for TD, and thus benefiting AE/AIMIA. Is there any attraction to this program even as a consumer spend/loyalty program?

FlyerTalker683455 Nov 14, 2015 7:46 pm


Originally Posted by Shareholder (Post 25712915)
Given credit cards are generating fewer miles than anticipated in AE/AIMIA's last quarter, where will the miles come from for the humungous increases slated for next month? The company's position will further erode as awards become less attractive and more expensive. This is a downward spiral for sure. Changing cc partners was a big mistake and hasn't generated as many new accounts and activity for TD, and thus benefiting AE/AIMIA. Is there any attraction to this program even as a consumer spend/loyalty program?

A company as poorly managed as AIMiA deserves to fail. The sooner the better.

100,000miler Nov 14, 2015 9:39 pm


Originally Posted by jerryhung (Post 25477306)
btw, for some reason I can't load the PDF directly either
but I can Save it and open later no problem, people can try that

Neither can I and I am a long term SE and AC MM member. I assume these are the new rules and so called benefits for 2016 but AC/AE have not had the courtesy of informing me nor can I find this info on their websites.

Go figure. Just another reason to drop my SE status next year. I am totally fed up with it all.

flybit Nov 15, 2015 3:09 pm


Originally Posted by 100,000miler (Post 25714645)
Neither can I and I am a long term SE and AC MM member. I assume these are the new rules and so called benefits for 2016 but AC/AE have not had the courtesy of informing me nor can I find this info on their websites.

Go figure. Just another reason to drop my SE status next year. I am totally fed up with it all.

once you got 1MM it was time to leave, the AC program, every flight after than was just prolonging your punishment.

Sean Peever Nov 15, 2015 5:19 pm


Originally Posted by flybit (Post 25717551)
once you got 1MM it was time to leave, the AC program, every flight after than was just prolonging your punishment.

In all fairness, I think that getting SE for life at 3MM is actually pretty great! I hope to get there one day :)

crimsona Nov 17, 2015 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by crimsona (Post 25477755)
Given the prices charged by Asia Miles for their own members (HKG-HND in F is 40k one way and 70k roundtrip), AS and AA's award charts are extremely ripe for a devaluation. I don't expect those to last long either, especially if Asia Miles goes through their own further devaluation as expected.

AA's 2016 changes announced.
US-Asia 2 (HKG) J and F from 110 and 135k RT to 140k and 220k
Canada-Asia 2 J and F from 110 and 135k RT to 150k and 225k

Basically matches Aeroplan's rate for TPAC

Intra Asia 2 rates untouched, so much better than Aeroplan's Asia rates (45k intra Asia 2, 60k to Japan in J, or 62.5 intra Asia 2 and 80k in F to Japan)

jerryhung Nov 17, 2015 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by crimsona (Post 25729210)
AA's 2016 changes announced.
US-Asia 2 (HKG) J and F from 110 and 135k RT to 140k and 220k
Canada-Asia 2 J and F from 110 and 135k RT to 150k and 225k

Basically matches Aeroplan's rate for TPAC

Intra Asia 2 rates untouched, so much better than Aeroplan's Asia rates (45k intra Asia 2, 60k to Japan in J, or 62.5 intra Asia 2 and 80k in F to Japan)

Still a devaluation, just not as bad

Want to burn my 160K AA miles before 3/22/2016...

CrownRoyalForever Nov 18, 2015 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim (Post 25699832)

* Dec 14, 2015: book travel for Dec 1, 2016 first flight, Dec 10, 2016 throwaway flight (but be careful... not many airlines release space that far ahead, so you need to make sure you actually have availability!)
* Leave your ticket in a drawer for a year.
* Fly the Dec 1, 2016 flight on that day, in a year from now.
* On landing, immediately call Aeroplan and reschedule the rest of the trip to end on Dec 1, 2017 or before (ENTIRE trip must be complete within 1 year of departure (maybe arrival) of the first flight).
* Find a way to get home by yourself from wherever flight #1 took you, hopefully not too far.

Just thinking out loud, it helps me to write it out:

Nov 1, 2016 YYZ-SFO-HKG-CMB on AA & CX F for 67.5k AA
Nov 30, 2016 BOM-AUH-JFK on EY F for 90k AA

For 90k AE miles:
Dec 1, 2016 EWR-YYZ on UA J
Nov 1, 2017 YYZ-WAW on LOT J
Nov 30, 2017 WAW-YYZ on LOT J
Nov 30, 2017 YYZ-EWR (throwaway)

Double devaluation mileage dump. Can change routing for 2017 flights to add stopovers, change airlines, even change cities if I understand correctly.

Assuming availability of course...


Cheers

Smiley90 Nov 18, 2015 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by crimsona (Post 25729210)
AA's 2016 changes announced.
US-Asia 2 (HKG) J and F from 110 and 135k RT to 140k and 220k
Canada-Asia 2 J and F from 110 and 135k RT to 150k and 225k

Basically matches Aeroplan's rate for TPAC

Intra Asia 2 rates untouched, so much better than Aeroplan's Asia rates (45k intra Asia 2, 60k to Japan in J, or 62.5 intra Asia 2 and 80k in F to Japan)

Also relevant:

NA-Europe 60/100/125 RT to 60/105/170 (!) RT.... jesus lord. Canada-Asia 2 is obviously a worse devaluation, but I mainly use NA-Europe and this hurts. Went from same as AE for F to 30k more.

Keflyer Nov 18, 2015 10:29 pm

Hey Guys,

Was checking out the new chart and it shows Asia 2 to Asia 2 will cost 20K rt. I tried to find flights from SIN to REP on SQ for Mar 16-21 next year when I visit Sin but it is not showing on aeroplan.com. ( Hoping to do a side trip from Sin).

Do I need to call in on this one or is there a glitch in the system? Date I hoping to get Mar 16-21. Any help will be most appreciated. Will be first time using my aeroplan miles. :)

Pseudo Nim Nov 18, 2015 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by Keflyer (Post 25737945)
Hey Guys,

Was checking out the new chart and it shows Asia 2 to Asia 2 will cost 20K rt. I tried to find flights from SIN to REP on SQ for Mar 16-21 next year when I visit Sin but it is not showing on aeroplan.com. ( Hoping to do a side trip from Sin).

Do I need to call in on this one or is there a glitch in the system? Date I hoping to get Mar 16-21. Any help will be most appreciated. Will be first time using my aeroplan miles. :)

Sorry... it's flown by MI (SilkAir), which is an SQ subsidiary but one that isn't a member of Star Alliance - only bookable with KrisFlyer miles. Therefore, you won't be able to fly that.


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