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Important changes to the Aeroplan program (2015)
The good news:
We will now be able to book one-way flights in any region. The bad news: They're tackling a lot of chart sweet spots in J/F. At least we get ~50 days notice. https://www4.aeroplan.com/static/pdf...s-Chart-en.pdf Canada to Europe 1 in J +20,000 in F +15,000 Europe 1 to Africa in J +20,000 Europe 1 to Australia in J +55,000 Business and First Class within Asia 1 is doubling... 30,000 -> 80,000 and 50,000 -> 110,000 Hawaii to Asia +75,000 Mikekay made a great spreadsheet highlighting the changes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byg...lSU3hBTTg/view Glad I just booked my Europe 1 to Hawaii... going up 40,000 in J too. Region changes... the Asia ones suck for me: - Poland moved into Europe 2 - Luxembourg moved into Europe 1 - Mongolia & Eastern Russia moved into Asia 1 - Singapore, Thailand, and Vietnam moved into Asia 2 (damnit!) |
If this is the only "enhancement" this year - then it's less painful than in prior years - changes in J/F Canada-Europe will hurt.
At least they are giving FF'ers some notice. |
I particularly like Asia1 to Asia1 Business class went from 30k to 80k.
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Wow, happy I burnt all my points this year with Euro J and F redemptions. Poland in Europe 2 has nothing to do with low YQ YYZ-WAW J redemptions on LO I am sure.
Didn't the J and F awards go up recently (like 2 years ago) to their current levels, for Europe at least? |
Whew, no changes for me.
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Ouch. That hurts. That's what happens when they shower AP points on everyone and their dog's credit cards.
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One way flights within any region is a nice change. Could be useful. But, then again...going from, say, Tokyo to Bangkok now costs 40k one way instead of 30k return. Stuff like that will limit the usefulness.
I'm disappointed by the change to Europe J fare...but hey that was bound to change. |
Originally Posted by yyzgigi
(Post 25476834)
I particularly like Asia1 to Asia1 Business class went from 30k to 80k.
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Originally Posted by grandgourmand
(Post 25476862)
Why do you like that?
Didn't the J and F awards go up recently (like 2 years ago) to their current levels, for Europe at least? |
Just got the e-mail.
Both links...... PAGE NOT FOUND We can't find the page you requested. You might have spelled the address incorrectly, or the link to the page might have split into two lines, and so was not read properly. |
Originally Posted by grandgourmand
(Post 25476857)
One way flights within any region is a nice change. Could be useful. But, then again...going from, say, Tokyo to Bangkok now costs 40k one way instead of 30k return. Stuff like that will limit the usefulness.
I'm disappointed by the change to Europe J fare...but hey that was bound to change. |
Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar
(Post 25476837)
Didn't the J and F awards go up recently (like 2 years ago) to their current levels, for Europe at least?
Originally Posted by Bonaventure
(Post 25476853)
Ouch. That hurts. That's what happens when they shower AP points on everyone and their dog's credit cards.
This is going to make it even harder for the average Joe to get any value out of the program. Saved up 20K a year for 5 years for a Europe J reward? Sorry, going to take you another year now.
Originally Posted by grandgourmand
(Post 25476862)
Why do you like that?
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Originally Posted by tracon
(Post 25476867)
Just got the e-mail.
Both links...... PAGE NOT FOUND We can't find the page you requested. You might have spelled the address incorrectly, or the link to the page might have split into two lines, and so was not read properly. Surprised some redemption's went down. |
I haven't gotten any e-mail, but for those having problems with links, here's the page on the Aeroplan website:
https://www3.aeroplan.com/whats_new/...xxx_2015_09_30 |
I just booked a pair of SQ J seats from HKG to SIN. Glad I didn't leave this any later. :)
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Originally Posted by Bonaventure
(Post 25476882)
Flights intra-Asia in premium cabins are very expensive, so while it's not a great change, it's still an acceptable/mediocre retail CPM.
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With Singapore and Thailand moving, what does that mean for the Mini-RTW?
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Definitely not happy!:td:
(though as others as mentioned, it could have been even worse) Since most of my rewards are booked ex-Europe, those changes really suck. An increase of 20%-40% to most destinations is quite brutal. (And the 160% increase for intra-Asia J awards requires no further comments.:eek:) |
Originally Posted by Bonaventure
(Post 25476882)
Flights intra-Asia in premium cabins are very expensive, so while it's not a great change, it's still an acceptable/mediocre retail CPM.
Aeroplan will now charge 80,000 points plus maybe $250 in scamcharges. There is no real comparison there, the Emirates paid flight wins hands down. Narita -> Shanghai -> Hong Kong you can do for $800 as well, and this would be 80k points and $250 scamcharges again. I was already in some of these cases buying instead of spending 30k points. On the shortest routes where you have Air Asia it's not even worth flying it in business class because the cost differential is so big and sometimes AA is just really convenient. I can't see any way I would redeem for an asia 1 -> asia 1 with the new charge. |
Originally Posted by nihonto
(Post 25477016)
Bangkok to Hong Kong 2 ways on Emirates in J = $800 (if you're lucky, you can get this in F)
Aeroplan will now charge 80,000 points plus maybe $250 in scamcharges. There is no real comparison there, the Emirates paid flight wins hands down. Narita -> Shanghai -> Hong Kong you can do for $800 as well, and this would be 80k points and $250 scamcharges again. I was already in some of these cases buying instead of spending 30k points. On the shortest routes where you have Air Asia it's not even worth flying it in business class because the cost differential is so big and sometimes AA is just really convenient. I can't see any way I would redeem for an asia 1 -> asia 1 with the new charge. Again, this was very sadly inevitable given the massive increase in supply in the system through credit cards. |
Asia 1 to Asia 1 - from 30 K to 80 K !!!!!!!!
That has been one of my regular redemptions. No more. |
Earn and Burn indeed
but wow, Intra Asia 1 J 30K->80K is crazy!! but doesn't affect me as much, as I'm stuck booking Y tickets Mini-RTW in Y is still 75K, yah! |
Asia 1 - Asia 1 was the sweet spot I loved.
from Japan to anywhere in Thailand is very good value for 30000 points in biz. I knew its days where numbered but this is a huge increase. |
Originally Posted by IluvSQ
(Post 25477044)
Asia 1 to Asia 1 - from 30 K to 80 K !!!!!!!!
That has been one of my regular redemptions. No more. I think quite a few have been enjoying SIN or BKK to Japan or Korea. I'm surprised it has lasted so long. No surcharges on Singapore Airlines either if you can find the space. Problem is that genuine short hops like Seoul to Tokyo or Singapore to Bangkok are now priced beyond all logic. At least I'm down to 208 Aeroplan miles so no real impact here... |
Canada to Thailand went from Asia 1 to Asia 2, but points are "only" up 5K, so not a disaster. I guess a Mini RTW touching down in Asia 2 (SIN or BKK for instance), will just be charged at the Asia 2 reward.
OLD Reward: SWISS First Class is not available for reward travel NEW Reward: no mention |
Originally Posted by IluvSQ
(Post 25477044)
Asia 1 to Asia 1 - from 30 K to 80 K !!!!!!!!
That has been one of my regular redemptions. No more. Great way to book TG J (on revenue tickets) is NRT-BKK-FRA/LHR/etc. with a stop allowed in BKK in both directions, essentially making it two trips in one, at about the same cost or in some cases even less cost than flying from BKK to Europe. |
No stopover on one ways.
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"Important changes" is basically a euphemism for "major devaluation" since the best sweet spots are now butchered, while "One way awards between any regions" comes with the caveat that they'll be unattractively priced to discourage anyone from ever redeeming them
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Originally Posted by adam.smith
(Post 25476899)
I haven't gotten any e-mail, but for those having problems with links, here's the page on the Aeroplan website:
https://www3.aeroplan.com/whats_new/...xxx_2015_09_30 I hate how Europe went up, but Canada to Asia 1,2 stayed the same (so good for me. As well as intra Canada long and short haul J stayed the same) :D |
A good thing about one way awards between any region is that (theoretically) you'd be able to search for flight routing options one way instead of making each leg you're searching for a round trip. Not a big deal, but should be a bit quicker.
Canada - Eur1 is the biggest downer for us, since we were aiming towards that for our next trip. Probably change that line of thinking now. |
BMO World Elite is looking better and better.
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North Korea?
Asia 1
China, Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, North Korea, Singapore*, South Korea, Thailand*, Taiwan, Vietnam*. * As of December 15, 2015, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam will be part of the travel zone Asia 2. |
Actually, looking at it there's a few changes from North America in business class:
Short-haul: 25K -> 30K Southern South America - 95K -> 110K Europe 1 - 90K -> 110K Europe 2 - 105K -> 115K |
My 2013 decision to stop pursuing status and points is looking better every day.
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Ben's post on this
Aeroplan Award Chart Devaluation As Of December 15, 2015 - One Mile at a Time http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ember-15-2015/ So what are the changes we’re seeing for travel to/from North America? The cost of shorthaul awards within North America is increasing: Business class is increasing from 25,000 miles to 30,000 miles roundtrip The cost of awards between North America and Europe 1 is increasing: Business class is increasing from 90,000 miles to 110,000 miles roundtrip First class is increasing from 125,000 miles to 140,000 miles roundtrip The cost of awards between North America and Europe 2 is increasing: Business class is increasing from 105,000 miles to 115,000 miles roundtrip First class is increasing from 145,000 miles to 160,000 miles roundtrip The cost of awards between North America and Southern South America is increasing: Business class is increasing from 95,000 miles to 110,000 miles roundtrip First class is increasing from 135,000 miles to 140,000 miles roundtrip The cost of awards between North America and Australia is increasing: Economy class is increasing from 80,000 miles to 90,000 miles roundtrip |
btw, for some reason I can't load the PDF directly either
but I can Save it and open later no problem, people can try that |
Originally Posted by Allvest
(Post 25477228)
Asia 1
China, Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, North Korea, Singapore*, South Korea, Thailand*, Taiwan, Vietnam*. * As of December 15, 2015, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam will be part of the travel zone Asia 2. |
Originally Posted by Bonaventure
(Post 25476882)
Flights intra-Asia in premium cabins are very expensive, so while it's not a great change, it's still an acceptable/mediocre retail CPM.
Keep in mind you can simply get AS miles by applying for a Canadian credit card and spending in $C whereas Aeroplan gutting the Intra-Asia award to such unreasonable level will cause informed customers to reconsider their commitment to Aeroplan. All things considered, if intra-Asia award is a big deal to you, dump your Aeroplan credit cards and get a MBNA Alaska Air MasterCard and/or SPG AMEX. |
The website is still not allowing me to book one-way intra-Europe or one-way intra-Asia...
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Originally Posted by jarusoba
(Post 25477318)
The website is still not allowing me to book one-way intra-Europe or one-way intra-Asia...
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