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2016 777 Routes

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Q: Are all 777s refurbished?
A: Yes, all active 777s have the new configuration (Executive Pod) J suites, Premium Economy, and 10-across Economy seats.

Q: Are the dividers in the middle J seats moveable? Can they be slid up/down?
A: No, all Dream Cabin J seat dividers do not come down and are fixed in place.

Summer 2016 777 International Routes
End of summer schedule changes will be added in the future

77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
Calgary – London Heathrow: AC850/851
Toronto – Hong Kong: AC15/16
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC858/859
Toronto – Vancouver – Sydney: AC33/34

77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
Toronto – Beijing: AC31/32
Toronto – Frankfurt: AC872/873
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC856/869
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC848/849
Toronto – Paris CDG: AC880/881
Toronto – Rome Fiumicino: AC890/891 until Sep 12 (out), Sep 13 (in)
Toronto – Shanghai Pudong: AC87/88
Toronto – Tokyo Haneda: AC5/6
Vancouver – Shanghai Pudong: AC25/26
Vancouver – Tokyo Narita: AC3/4

77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
Montreal – London Heathrow: AC864/865
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC870/871
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC884/885
Vancouver – Beijing: AC29/30
Vancouver – Hong Kong: AC7/8
Vancouver – London Heathrow: AC854/855

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 Aircraft Tracking (last updated Jun 16, 2016)
 Plane       Status       Location Details
 
 77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
 C-FIUA-701  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Apr 09/16  Out:May 09/16  (30 days)
 C-FIUF-702  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Nov 08/15  Out:Dec 27/15  (49 days)
 C-FIUJ-703  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Dec 27/15  Out:Feb 04/16  (39 days)
 C-FIVK-704  Done         Loc:HKG  In:May 09/16  Out:Jun 08/16  (30 days)
 C-FNND-705  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Mar 09/16  Out:Apr 09/16  (31 days)
 C-FNNH-706  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Feb 04/16  Out:Mar 09/16  (34 days)
 
 77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
 C-FITL-731  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Sep 01/15  Out:Nov 20/15  (80 Days)
 C-FITU-732  Done         Loc:GSO  In:May 03/16  Out:Jun 05/16  (33 days)
 C-FITW-733  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Nov 23/15  Out:Jan 06/16  (45 days)
 C-FIUL-734  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Mar 16/16  Out:Apr 17/16  (32 days)  
 C-FIUR-735  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Dec 09/15  Out:Jan 18/16  (40 days)
 C-FIUV-736  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 26/16  Out:Apr 02/16  (36 days)
 C-FIUW-737  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 06/16  Out:Feb 12/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVM-738  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 13/16  Out:Mar 16/16  (32 days)
 C-FRAM-739  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 02/16  Out:May 02/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVQ-740  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 20/16  Out:Feb 26/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVR-741  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 17/16  Out:May 17/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVS-742  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Oct 23/15  Out:Dec 08/15  (46 days)
 
 77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
 C-FIVW-743  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Mar 28/16  Out:Apr 23/16  (26 days)
 C-FIVX-744  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 21/16  Out:Jun 03/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNQ-745  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Jun 03/16  Out:Jun 16/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNU-746  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 06/16  Out:May 21/16  (15 days)
 C-FNNW-747  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Apr 23/16  Out:May 06/16  (13 days)
 C-FJZS-748  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:Mar 24/16  Del:Apr 26/16  EIS:May 18/16
 C-FKAU-749  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:May 01/16  Del:May 21/16  EIS:Jun 10/16

Air Canada plans to refurbish 18 of its 777

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Dec 26, 2015, 11:10 pm

#526

winnipegrev

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yvr76

The seat maps say that Y is 31" on the refurbed 77W and 77L.

Although it said that on the 789 and was later updated to 30-31".

The 77L is 31", but the 77W has some 30" seats. At least that is what the initial plan was.

Dec 26, 2015, 11:16 pm

#527

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Quote:

Originally Posted by winnipegrev

The 77L is 31", but the 77W has some 30" seats. At least that is what the initial plan was.

It hurts my head (and my knees) just thinking about doing an ULH flight with 30" of pitch, let alone 31".

Dec 26, 2015, 11:19 pm

#528

Diabeetus

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Does the center partition between the middle J seats come down on the refurbished 777? Or is it locked in place like the 788/789?

Dec 26, 2015, 11:20 pm

#529

winnipegrev

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Diabeetus

It hurts my head (and my knees) just thinking about doing an ULH flight with 30" of pitch, let alone 31".

With the new slimline seats like the 788 I personally don't find the legroom to be any worse than the old seat's 32". It sure isn't luxury though.

Without giving AC any ideas here.... it's a bit sad that the CRA has the most comfortable Y- of any aircraft in the AC/ACE/ACr fleet. That 9/84Y E90 was a sweet ride too.

Dec 26, 2015, 11:25 pm

#530

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Quote:

Originally Posted by winnipegrev

Are the slimline seats in the 788 different than those originally fitted in the 777HD (the pleather ones), in terms of leg room? I found Y in the 777HD YVR-HKG to be a miserable experience.

Dec 26, 2015, 11:30 pm

#531

winnipegrev

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I haven't ever been in HD Y so I wouldn't know

But, every time I've been onboard Y has been close enough to 100% I felt uncomfortable sitting down to try a seat out. So AC has that going for it.

I'm pretty sure they are the same. 787 may have 1 model newer to fit the ex3 IFE though.

Dec 27, 2015, 5:00 am

#532

eos75

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Diabeetus

Does the center partition between the middle J seats come down on the refurbished 777? Or is it locked in place like the 788/789?

No, it's fixed in place.

Quote:

Originally Posted by agjil

So I have a question about the new J cabin...does anyone know if the row in front of the emergency exit door (I think it's row 7) in the new config has some more extra personal space, just like row 6 of the classic pod config?

7K has a bit more shelf space than the seats in front as there's extra space where the screen for seat behind would have been, but the seat itself is less secluded than 6K before. Still quite private, but will have to see whether there's more noise from the galley behind now.

I wasn't able to select any seats in row 7 when checking in, but have just moved back to 7K since the metal floor plate / carpet in 6K has worked loose already

Dec 27, 2015, 9:22 am

#533

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Quote:

Originally Posted by winnipegrev

With the new slimline seats like the 788 I personally don't find the legroom to be any worse than the old seat's 32". It sure isn't luxury though.

Right. Pitch actually isn't a great measurement.

It's from the back of your seat to the back of the seat in front of you. Which means if your seat is thick, the distance you actually care about (the FRONT of your seat to the back of the seat in front of you) is reduced.

I don't remember what airline or aircraft I was on, but the back seat cushion must have been four inches thick. Sure, they had decent pitch, but the effective room was horrible.

Dec 27, 2015, 10:08 am

#534

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Quote:

Originally Posted by canadiancow

You're argument is valid, but for semantics sake:

Technically, pitch is the narrowest measurement from a point on a seat to the same point on the seat in front of it. The usual spot pitch is measured is the front floor mount bracket, I believe .

Dec 27, 2015, 10:28 am

#535

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Originally Posted by PLeblond

But that's not helpful in determining actual space, so I use another equivalent point :P

Dec 27, 2015, 5:03 pm

#536

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PLeblond

Technically, pitch is the narrowest measurement from a point on a seat to the same point on the seat in front of it. The usual spot pitch is measured is the front floor mount bracket, I believe .

???

Distance from one point to the same point on the previous row is one and the same for all/any point. No such thing as the "narrowest one."

Dec 27, 2015, 5:55 pm

#537

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stranger

???

Distance from one point to the same point on the previous row is one and the same for all/any point. No such thing as the "narrowest one."

* on new seats that are not yet broken / bulging / etc. Exact size measurement is an average of all Y seats on the plane. Sizing is subject to human error. Sizing cannot be guaranteed. Other conditions such as pockets, fliers, magazines, etc may further impact your space after the measurement is taken. Sizing is subject to change at any point, without notice, and cannot be guaranteed after a retrofit. For exact sizes of your own specific seat please bring a tape measure with you.

Dec 28, 2015, 6:02 am

#538

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stranger

???

Distance from one point to the same point on the previous row is one and the same for all/any point. No such thing as the "narrowest one."

As long as both seats in question are identical. For example, bulkhead seats are different in shape size and thickness, so to measure from the tip of the armrest from a regular seat to a bulkhead seat may not give the same measurement as other points, or the same measure in other rows.

As I said, its semantics, and Cow's point is still very valid. There are people screaming bloody murder about seat pitch and how awful it is at 30" when using slimline seat could actually offer more space than an older thicker seat at 33" or 34". Passenger reads 31". Freaks. Sits and laments how tight it is, with actually more personal space. People tend to have made up their minds before even trying the product. Humans are often...dumb.

Dec 28, 2015, 11:08 am

#539

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Diabeetus

Are the slimline seats in the 788 different than those originally fitted in the 777HD (the pleather ones), in terms of leg room? I found Y in the 777HD YVR-HKG to be a miserable experience.

788 seats are one generation newer than 777HD ones. Both are equally miserable. Legroom is definitely less than in the old 77W spec. If you are vertically challenged, it may not matter. If you are around 6 feet, it makes a huge difference.

Jan 2, 2016, 8:48 pm

#540

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AC pulled a switcheroo and we had the very unfortunate flight from Sao Paulo > Toronto yesterday (Jan 1st 2016). This appears to be live for this route. Obviously this must be avoided. Shame on AC.