Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Mar 5, 2021, 9:30 am
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Further to that, BPS also shows 737-8/-9. Despite that, many operators want that file name converted to the FAA/ICAO aircraft type format ("MAX").
Amazing how such a regulated industry can have so many inconsistencies.
Mar 5, 2021, 1:51 pm
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Interesting. Thanks for that reference document. The flight deck/crew side of the industry is outside my area within the industry so never thought to look from that vantage point.
Further to that, BPS also shows 737-8/-9. Despite that, many operators want that file name converted to the FAA/ICAO aircraft type format ("MAX").
Amazing how such a regulated industry can have so many inconsistencies.
Further to that, BPS also shows 737-8/-9. Despite that, many operators want that file name converted to the FAA/ICAO aircraft type format ("MAX").
Amazing how such a regulated industry can have so many inconsistencies.
In IATA, airports have 3 letters, but ICAO ones have 4... EDDF or FRA. EGLL or LHR.
Apr 9, 2021, 8:05 am
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Boeing's 737 Max has new problem that will ground some of the jets again
Has anyone gotten any notifications about Air Canada Max 8 flight rebookings?
Boeing announced a new problem with the troubled 737 Max -- this time, the issue is with its electrical system.
"Boeing has recommended to 16 customers that they address a potential electrical issue in a specific group of 737 Max airplanes prior to further operations," the company said.
Airlines need to verify that one of the components of the plane's electrical system is sufficiently grounded, Boeing stated. The company said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to address the problem.
[...]
Boeing(BA) did not identify which 16 airlines are affected by this alert, or how many of the planes are affected by the problem.
"Boeing has recommended to 16 customers that they address a potential electrical issue in a specific group of 737 Max airplanes prior to further operations," the company said.
Airlines need to verify that one of the components of the plane's electrical system is sufficiently grounded, Boeing stated. The company said it is working with the US Federal Aviation Administration to address the problem.
[...]
Boeing(BA) did not identify which 16 airlines are affected by this alert, or how many of the planes are affected by the problem.
Apr 9, 2021, 12:16 pm
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QUOTE:
"An Air Canada spokesperson told CBC News via email Friday that its 737 Max aircraft "are not on the affected list."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...ssue-1.5981259
"An Air Canada spokesperson told CBC News via email Friday that its 737 Max aircraft "are not on the affected list."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...ssue-1.5981259
Apr 9, 2021, 2:47 pm
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QUOTE:
"An Air Canada spokesperson told CBC News via email Friday that its 737 Max aircraft "are not on the affected list."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...ssue-1.5981259
"An Air Canada spokesperson told CBC News via email Friday that its 737 Max aircraft "are not on the affected list."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boe...ssue-1.5981259
Hope you had a nice flight. ✈️
Apr 10, 2021, 10:08 pm
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Apr 22, 2021, 11:11 am
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May 2, 2021, 10:29 am
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Interesting. Thanks for that reference document. The flight deck/crew side of the industry is outside my area within the industry so never thought to look from that vantage point.
Further to that, BPS also shows 737-8/-9. Despite that, many operators want that file name converted to the FAA/ICAO aircraft type format ("MAX").
Amazing how such a regulated industry can have so many inconsistencies.
Further to that, BPS also shows 737-8/-9. Despite that, many operators want that file name converted to the FAA/ICAO aircraft type format ("MAX").
Amazing how such a regulated industry can have so many inconsistencies.
I think the inconstancy lies in, that some of the general public (that think they know more than they do about aviation) not knowing the difference between a designator as defined in the TCDS and a marketing designator and the assumption that the two are one in the same.
ICAO is not a regulator either, ICAO is a U.N. body that sets the common (very) low-bar for state regulators. In terms of Aircraft model designators, it is the OEM that defines them, not IATA or ICAO.
In today's age of the less than 30 second google search, it is quite easy to determine that IATA and ICAO are not regulators.
So much lulz!
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May 4, 2021, 6:25 pm
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May 5, 2021, 12:14 pm
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Where is the inconstancy? The TCDS is the same regardless of regulatory jurisdiction, the marketing designator is the same, some documentation uses the model designator, some documentation uses the marketing desginator.
I think the inconstancy lies in, that some of the general public (that think they know more than they do about aviation) not knowing the difference between a designator as defined in the TCDS and a marketing designator and the assumption that the two are one in the same.
IATA is no where near being a "regulator" IATA is a trade organization that plays all three sides from the middle.
ICAO is not a regulator either, ICAO is a U.N. body that sets the common (very) low-bar for state regulators. In terms of Aircraft model designators, it is the OEM that defines them, not IATA or ICAO.
In today's age of the less than 30 second google search, it is quite easy to determine that IATA and ICAO are not regulators.
So much lulz!
I think the inconstancy lies in, that some of the general public (that think they know more than they do about aviation) not knowing the difference between a designator as defined in the TCDS and a marketing designator and the assumption that the two are one in the same.
IATA is no where near being a "regulator" IATA is a trade organization that plays all three sides from the middle.
ICAO is not a regulator either, ICAO is a U.N. body that sets the common (very) low-bar for state regulators. In terms of Aircraft model designators, it is the OEM that defines them, not IATA or ICAO.
In today's age of the less than 30 second google search, it is quite easy to determine that IATA and ICAO are not regulators.
So much lulz!
It's only a matter of time before people within and outside the industry make mistakes based upon calling the same plane by different names.
May 5, 2021, 1:45 pm
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Aviation is a bears' den of, um, "inconstancy" no matter where you look. That IATA & ICAO have different designators, codes & names from each other sets the stage for confusion - not to mention the variance between units of measure (feet, metres, nautical miles, statute miles, kilometres), units of volume (litres, pounds, tonnes) and units of pressure (millibars, inches of mercury).
Don't be smug enough to believe that the general public is the only entity that experiences confusion; there are endless instances where incidents/accidents have arisen from mixed-up application of competing units. Ahem, Gimli.
It's only a matter of time before people within and outside the industry make mistakes based upon calling the same plane by different names.
It's only a matter of time before people within and outside the industry make mistakes based upon calling the same plane by different names.
Jul 5, 2021, 5:07 pm
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My first MAX flight in quite a while, and while it's been way too hot on board the whole time, we're now back at the gate due to a mechanical issue 🥳
Edit: EF isn't giving me anything (just an error). Anyone know why AC 745 is swapping planes?
Also there's a guy here saying "I'm talking to the Boeing CEO who wants to know what the issue is", which is quite amusing.
Edit: EF isn't giving me anything (just an error). Anyone know why AC 745 is swapping planes?
Also there's a guy here saying "I'm talking to the Boeing CEO who wants to know what the issue is", which is quite amusing.
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