Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Mar 10, 2019, 8:15 am
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Until, and perhaps after, we know the causes of this accident, there will undoubtedly be some very keen attention being paid in Montreal this morning. One would hope that contingency plans are being drawn up just in case of a global fleet disruption, and that they're not waiting for 'corporate' on Monday.
Mar 10, 2019, 8:49 am
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Until, and perhaps after, we know the causes of this accident, there will undoubtedly be some very keen attention being paid in Montreal this morning. One would hope that contingency plans are being drawn up just in case of a global fleet disruption, and that they're not waiting for 'corporate' on Monday.
Mar 10, 2019, 9:11 am
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Question for those who can answer, even if a guess:
If AC was concerned enough about an aircraft in their fleet, can they ground them until whatever issue is causing a couple of those types to fall out of the sky (as well as other issues that have been reported)?
If AC was concerned enough about an aircraft in their fleet, can they ground them until whatever issue is causing a couple of those types to fall out of the sky (as well as other issues that have been reported)?
Mar 10, 2019, 9:16 am
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No it doesn’t, but let’s keep piling on with the uninformed speculation.
A second hull loss for the 7M8 in such a short time isn’t good, but let the professionals do their job before we jump to conclusions. I am sure Air Canada is doing the same.
A second hull loss for the 7M8 in such a short time isn’t good, but let the professionals do their job before we jump to conclusions. I am sure Air Canada is doing the same.
Mar 10, 2019, 9:20 am
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RIP to those onboard.
It's becoming clear AC should never have ditched the A320 family in favour of this Boeing junk. The 737MAX is a antediluvian design stretched and updated once too often, and more uncomfortable than the Airbus design too boot. Won't set foot on one.
It's becoming clear AC should never have ditched the A320 family in favour of this Boeing junk. The 737MAX is a antediluvian design stretched and updated once too often, and more uncomfortable than the Airbus design too boot. Won't set foot on one.
Mar 10, 2019, 9:22 am
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Today's crash makes me question the 'machine' vs humans.
How can a new aircraft crash 6 mins after takeoff in perfect weather?
The reports are that the pilots may not have been to override the software...am I off base with that?
How can a new aircraft crash 6 mins after takeoff in perfect weather?
The reports are that the pilots may not have been to override the software...am I off base with that?
Mar 10, 2019, 9:24 am
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-ababa-456490/
Mar 10, 2019, 9:33 am
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Even if the two crashes are unrelated, two major accidents so soon after the model was released and with so few of them in service raises serious issues. Note also that Ethiopian is a more reliable operator than Lionair. Add to that the stealthy way that Boeing handles/handled the issues associated with the MCAS and its need.
Mar 10, 2019, 9:35 am
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It does to me, starting with which phase of the flight this occurred on. And fresh reports that there was communication reinforces the notion.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-ababa-456490/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-ababa-456490/
Did you know MCAS doesn’t even activate with flaps deployed? Go look at the AGL data we do have and enjoy squaring that circle.
Mar 10, 2019, 9:37 am
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It would result in a ton of flight cancellations, but taking a specific aircraft (or in this case, a couple dozen) out of service is something they do on a daily basis.
I think it's much more likely they would just reinforce to their pilots how to deal with the crash-causing issue(s) unless a regulatory body decided to ground the fleet.
Mar 10, 2019, 9:41 am
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I would suggest you all avoid mainstream media. Even if there is a lack of histrionics, they cater to the average watcher, people who are not FFs, people who may rarely fly. Sure, they interview former pilots, former investigators with the NTSB or FAA etc.
There are aviation sites with better info and more relevant perhaps to the FT audience. Aside from interesting discussions on PPRuNe and info posted on AvHerald, other aviation sites, the Boeing & Aerospace section of the Seattle Times......