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djjaguar64 Sep 29, 2013 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by SensFan (Post 21525348)
I have a friend who had something similar to happen to him last year. He sent a few e-mails back and forth to A3 but they credited him based on their rules based on when the flight was flown and didn't care that the fare class had been T+ in his case when he booked.

I guess you could try getting AC to move your flight to a Flex class but I wouldn't be surprised if they balked at this.

I just checked and it says Q in all segments, that is YYZ-YOW-VRA & VRA-YYZ (Rogued).

KenHamer Sep 29, 2013 6:10 pm

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Keep in mind that while Air Canada is obsessing about costs most other businesses are looking for ways to increase their costs. Recent changes in AC's fare structure will make it easier for them to spend more on travel.

gtpdiddy Sep 29, 2013 6:46 pm

Can't eUp on AC.com: Pre-9/24 Flex NOT automatically rebooked to new Flex class
 
Just called AC and inquired why on my eUP page my formerly Flex fare is no longer eligible for eUp. Contrary to what AC stated my S fare was not rematched to a new post 9/24 Flex fare so I could do eUp online. Agent said I'd have to call in or wait 'til I'm in my eUp window (T-6) to see the fare class changes. If not I'll have to call in for a manual override for eUp.

The agent was not helpful nor willing to change my booking class over the phone to make it a new Flex fare.

This is a royal pain since I'm traveling overseas and don't have the luxury of using free VOIP via wifi to make a call without incurring hefty roaming charges.

Has anyone experienced eUp issues based on their formerly Flex fare not adjusted on AC.com and could not eUp online?

GT

CloudsBelow Sep 29, 2013 7:06 pm


Originally Posted by WildcatYXU (Post 21524088)
Several posters here wrote that AC can easily afford losing customers (even high yield customers such as Dorian and his coworkers), since they are flying with record high load factors and therefore there is an under-supply of airline seats. But is it really so? If anything, we can see that AC is doing a terrific job optimizing equipment size. We can see 321's (or even 320's) in place of 767's, 319's or 190's in place of 320's and so on. So what really happened? Did the number of passengers grow significanly or did the number of available seats drop?

AC's ASMs are up (Available seat miles). Approx 3% increase.

AC's Load Factors are also up.

Not sure what route you're suggesting they're subbing 320 for 767 but, as a whole, AC has more seats to fill now than they've ever had

AC is filling 90% of their seats. That's too high ... Sounds dumb but it's true. This is a reason they can start pulling back like they are. Canada is price sensitive, Load factors are through the roof. Perfect host for implemeting these new initiatives.

djjaguar64 Sep 30, 2013 6:41 am


Originally Posted by CloudsBelow (Post 21526452)
AC's ASMs are up (Available seat miles). Approx 3% increase.

AC's Load Factors are also up.

Not sure what route you're suggesting they're subbing 320 for 767 but, as a whole, AC has more seats to fill now than they've ever had

AC is filling 90% of their seats. That's too high ... Sounds dumb but it's true. This is a reason they can start pulling back like they are. Canada is price sensitive, Load factors are through the roof. Perfect host for implemeting these new initiatives.

They are able to do this as they act like a Monopoly, preventing competition and keeping prices high, not because they are a good airline or an airline that is run efficiently. Even after cutting out the stupid meals domestically and on some international routes they still cannot seem to make money,so they ROGUE themselves!!!

Clipper801 Sep 30, 2013 6:53 am


Originally Posted by CloudsBelow (Post 21526452)
AC's ASMs are up (Available seat miles). Approx 3% increase.

AC's Load Factors are also up.

Not sure what route you're suggesting they're subbing 320 for 767 but, as a whole, AC has more seats to fill now than they've ever had

AC is filling 90% of their seats. That's too high ... Sounds dumb but it's true. This is a reason they can start pulling back like they are. Canada is price sensitive, Load factors are through the roof. Perfect host for implemeting these new initiatives.

A half full 767 vs. a full A320 ............. yes, the load factors are up!

IluvSQ Sep 30, 2013 7:20 am


Originally Posted by Clipper801 (Post 21528280)
A half full 767 vs. a full A320 ............. yes, the load factors are up!

Not quite - that 767 is now flying somewhere where it is also at 90%+
capacity.

Clipper801 Sep 30, 2013 7:30 am


Originally Posted by IluvSQ (Post 21528387)
Not quite - that 767 is now flying somewhere where it is also at 90%+
capacity.

or simply sitting on the parking apron at YYZ.

CloudsBelow Sep 30, 2013 9:26 am


Originally Posted by Clipper801 (Post 21528437)
or simply sitting on the parking apron at YYZ.

Guess you missed the statement that Available Seat Miles have increased at AC? As in, there are more Air Canada seats available (and filled @ 90%, btw) than ever before.

hastuk Sep 30, 2013 9:48 am


Originally Posted by gtpdiddy (Post 21526365)
Just called AC and inquired why on my eUP page my formerly Flex fare is no longer eligible for eUp. Contrary to what AC stated my S fare was not rematched to a new post 9/24 Flex fare so I could do eUp online. Agent said I'd have to call in or wait 'til I'm in my eUp window (T-6) to see the fare class changes. If not I'll have to call in for a manual override for eUp.

The agent was not helpful nor willing to change my booking class over the phone to make it a new Flex fare.

This is a royal pain since I'm traveling overseas and don't have the luxury of using free VOIP via wifi to make a call without incurring hefty roaming charges.

Has anyone experienced eUp issues based on their formerly Flex fare not adjusted on AC.com and could not eUp online?

GT

Just what I have been fearing. My problems happened when Tango + fares were downgraded to Tango a couple of years ago. Couldn't upgrade online, agent on the phone said that I now had a Tango fare and it wasn't eligible for an upgrade. The next flights that I took a month later that had also been downgraded required a call to an agent for a manual override. Jumping to now - I also have flights (5 upcoming) that have been downgraded and like you I will not be able to call mid-trip to request the upgrade. This is a royal pain in the ...! Let us know if you are able to get your file changed so that you can do the upgrade online. Thanks.

margarita girl Sep 30, 2013 10:36 am


Originally Posted by gtpdiddy (Post 21526365)
Has anyone experienced eUp issues based on their formerly Flex fare not adjusted on AC.com and could not eUp online?

GT

My GF spent an hour on the phone with 2 agents to get her Oct 10 ticket changed from Tango back to Flex, but she got it done.

TelFunku Sep 30, 2013 11:31 am


Originally Posted by margarita girl (Post 21529339)
My GF spent an hour on the phone with 2 agents to get her Oct 10 ticket changed from Tango back to Flex, but she got it done.

That's for AC flight numbers on 014 stock?
I have LH flight number on non-AC ticket, won't even try until check-in opens.

rankourabu Sep 30, 2013 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by TelFunku (Post 21529638)
That's for AC flight numbers on 014 stock?
I have LH flight number on non-AC ticket, won't even try until check-in opens.

on non-AC tickets, they will tell you to pound sand.
I went thru this last time when K class changed.

margarita girl Sep 30, 2013 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by TelFunku (Post 21529638)
That's for AC flight numbers on 014 stock?
I have LH flight number on non-AC ticket, won't even try until check-in opens.

Yes. Booked on AC website.

I would like to know if one single person has had their tickets automatically rebooked. :rolleyes:

lostinthewash Sep 30, 2013 1:59 pm

Two of my flights are showing "Tango Q" YYZ-GCM

Thought Q is a flex fare ....

Original booking was into Flex (S) fare


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