May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Aug 19, 2018, 11:35 am
#7726
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 37
YYZ-MCO/RSW -- Rouge Business vs WeatJet Plus
Looking to visit Naples and Orlando, trying to figure out which flights are more comfortable. Rouge and WJ fly direct to both RSW and MCO from YYZ. WJ Plus is cheaper but are those the middle seat omitted or actual 2x2 seating? Rouge is 2x2 in business, right?
Aug 19, 2018, 5:41 pm
#7727
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YEG
Programs: AC Lifetime SE100K, 3MM, SPG Lifetime Plat, Hertz PC, National Executive Elite
Posts: 2,901
Rouge is 2+2 up front. It is a nice plane for a daytime trip.
Aug 19, 2018, 9:35 pm
#7728
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: FOTSG Tangerine Ex E35k (AC)
Posts: 5,612
WS is just a blocked middle seat. AC Rouge wins here, up front. I believe you even get lounge access for what little that’s worth at YYZ TB.
Aug 29, 2018, 1:19 am
#7729
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hilton, Hyatt House, Del Taco
Posts: 5,378
Doing YVR-TYO / CTS-YVR open-jaw next summer. Just booked Rouge on UA award, NGO-YVR. I've never flown AC Rouge before. I'm only 5'10" and I manage to survive with 32" pitch on long-haul (eg, BR's 77W, NH's 787). But Rouge's 30" pitch on 767 is very disconcerting for such a long flight. In fact, I may never have experienced 30" pitch asides from some regional jets.
I can cancel within 24hrs. My options were award travel on JAL outbound & Rouge return (YVR-NRT / CTS-NGO-YVR), vs paid seat on EVA (YVR-TPE-NRT / CTS-TPE-YVR). Base on my miles valuation (1.8cents/mile), it's a wash. But obviously I'd be paying real money for EVA. EVA is more roundabout routing, but I do enjoy TPE transits and again I'm really worried about spending 9-10hrs on Rouge economy. They're saying I'm not eligible to bid for upgrade.
I've never flown Rouge before and would like some opinions. How uncomfortable would it be for a 5'10" guy in coach on their TPAC flight? Would you go with the JAL/Rouge award option or paid flight on EVA? Also do you think there's a fair chance that NGO flight could be converted to mainline by next summer?
I can cancel within 24hrs. My options were award travel on JAL outbound & Rouge return (YVR-NRT / CTS-NGO-YVR), vs paid seat on EVA (YVR-TPE-NRT / CTS-TPE-YVR). Base on my miles valuation (1.8cents/mile), it's a wash. But obviously I'd be paying real money for EVA. EVA is more roundabout routing, but I do enjoy TPE transits and again I'm really worried about spending 9-10hrs on Rouge economy. They're saying I'm not eligible to bid for upgrade.
I've never flown Rouge before and would like some opinions. How uncomfortable would it be for a 5'10" guy in coach on their TPAC flight? Would you go with the JAL/Rouge award option or paid flight on EVA? Also do you think there's a fair chance that NGO flight could be converted to mainline by next summer?
Aug 29, 2018, 7:01 am
#7730
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: FOTSG Tangerine Ex E35k (AC)
Posts: 5,612
Rouge Y is close to bottom of my list for a TATL let alone a TPAC. I would explore alternatives if the price for others options is acceptable.
If for whatever reasons (cost, route, time, other) Rouge Y remains the best, I would at least explore the preferred seat cost (likely to be $130 on a route like that but I can’t check right now).
And, even on a ticket like you mention you may be LMU eligible as AC will take control at OLCI. Of course that’s late and it may not be available or $5k. Worth considering, so would also get a preferred seat as a backup which would be refundable if upgraded.
If for whatever reasons (cost, route, time, other) Rouge Y remains the best, I would at least explore the preferred seat cost (likely to be $130 on a route like that but I can’t check right now).
And, even on a ticket like you mention you may be LMU eligible as AC will take control at OLCI. Of course that’s late and it may not be available or $5k. Worth considering, so would also get a preferred seat as a backup which would be refundable if upgraded.
Aug 29, 2018, 1:13 pm
#7731
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hilton, Hyatt House, Del Taco
Posts: 5,378
Rouge Y is close to bottom of my list for a TATL let alone a TPAC. I would explore alternatives if the price for others options is acceptable.
If for whatever reasons (cost, route, time, other) Rouge Y remains the best, I would at least explore the preferred seat cost (likely to be $130 on a route like that but I can’t check right now).
And, even on a ticket like you mention you may be LMU eligible as AC will take control at OLCI. Of course that’s late and it may not be available or $5k. Worth considering, so would also get a preferred seat as a backup which would be refundable if upgraded.
If for whatever reasons (cost, route, time, other) Rouge Y remains the best, I would at least explore the preferred seat cost (likely to be $130 on a route like that but I can’t check right now).
And, even on a ticket like you mention you may be LMU eligible as AC will take control at OLCI. Of course that’s late and it may not be available or $5k. Worth considering, so would also get a preferred seat as a backup which would be refundable if upgraded.
If you were me, knowing an upgrade is unlikely, would you go instead for the paid roundabout EVA itinerary option rather than any saver award trip option that includes a TPAC Rouge leg?
Aug 29, 2018, 3:17 pm
#7732
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: FOTSG Tangerine Ex E35k (AC)
Posts: 5,612
Thanks. I think the chances of last-minute upgrade would be slim to none, as we're a party of 4.
If you were me, knowing an upgrade is unlikely, would you go instead for the paid roundabout EVA itinerary option rather than any saver award trip option that includes a TPAC Rouge leg?
If you were me, knowing an upgrade is unlikely, would you go instead for the paid roundabout EVA itinerary option rather than any saver award trip option that includes a TPAC Rouge leg?
Some people refuse to pay $15 to book a seat for an 8h flight, others think nothing of dropping $5k on it and won’t fly Y.
But personally, I avoid AC Y (and especially Rouge Y) where possible, but when I have to, I pay (thru the nose) for a preferred seat. This is however in stark constrast to my approach 15 years ago.
Aug 29, 2018, 6:58 pm
#7733
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hilton, Hyatt House, Del Taco
Posts: 5,378
Right, chance of 4 LMUs is going to be low especially for a reasonable price. Honestly I can’t answer as I don’t know how much $ we’re talking about and even if I did people value $ and the like differently ... What else are points / $ useful for?
Some people refuse to pay $15 to book a seat for an 8h flight, others think nothing of dropping $5k on it and won’t fly Y.
But personally, I avoid AC Y (and especially Rouge Y) where possible, but when I have to, I pay (thru the nose) for a preferred seat. This is however in stark constrast to my approach 15 years ago.
Some people refuse to pay $15 to book a seat for an 8h flight, others think nothing of dropping $5k on it and won’t fly Y.
But personally, I avoid AC Y (and especially Rouge Y) where possible, but when I have to, I pay (thru the nose) for a preferred seat. This is however in stark constrast to my approach 15 years ago.
I value both miles at 1.8c/mile, so it really is a wash value-wise. But as you know, miles are only worth something if you use them and saver award seat inventories are getting less and less. And as family of 4, it's becoming more and more difficult to redeem miles for TPAC flights.
But of course you are you and I am me. So I know it's hard for you to advise. I like TPE and all the lounges I can use there, so I don't mind the TPE routing on the outbound. But I'm neither rich nor have a ton of miles to burn (I fly >90% economy) and I do mind having to pay $1200x4. I'd rather have less of a detour on the return also. But I wonder how brutal those 9-10 hours on Rouge can be. I need to be able to sleep >3hr on the plane because I have to drive YVR>SEA upon arrival and work the next day. I wonder if it's even possible to fall asleep on thinly-padded seat with 30" pitch.
Aug 29, 2018, 9:40 pm
#7734
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: FOTSG Tangerine Ex E35k (AC)
Posts: 5,612
So here’s my thoughts, $4800 is a big chunk of change, to me and it sounds like to you. Especially given I’m in Canada and that’s > C$6k. And while bad, you will physically survive the flight, there are going to be at least 20 others in that flight of a same or greater height for the same length of time (probably). A flight which I assume operates 3-7 times a week.
However, it likely won’t be comfortable especially if person in front reclines. Of which there is a high chance on a LH route. Hence, try and get a better seat.
I haven’t taken a Rouge Y over 4h, I’ve flown similar (TS) TATL ones though and didn’t sleep. I do know someone who has managed it but the same guy has been known to fall asleep while talking.
Unless you plan to drink/use washroom a lot your best bet is a window seat for sleeping. I don’t know what time the flight is but if it’s late in the day maybe get up late, or maybe you will be so tired it works, people vary. I don’t even get that much sleep on lie flats.
Get a good face mask and ear plugs or NC ear/headphones if possible. Consider getting a coffee/espresso (on the ground) before grabbing your car. Drive safe, enjoy the trip, and please
report back if you do go ahead.
Perhaps dream of what else you can do with $4800
However, it likely won’t be comfortable especially if person in front reclines. Of which there is a high chance on a LH route. Hence, try and get a better seat.
I haven’t taken a Rouge Y over 4h, I’ve flown similar (TS) TATL ones though and didn’t sleep. I do know someone who has managed it but the same guy has been known to fall asleep while talking.
Unless you plan to drink/use washroom a lot your best bet is a window seat for sleeping. I don’t know what time the flight is but if it’s late in the day maybe get up late, or maybe you will be so tired it works, people vary. I don’t even get that much sleep on lie flats.
Get a good face mask and ear plugs or NC ear/headphones if possible. Consider getting a coffee/espresso (on the ground) before grabbing your car. Drive safe, enjoy the trip, and please
report back if you do go ahead.
Perhaps dream of what else you can do with $4800
Aug 29, 2018, 11:35 pm
#7735
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hilton, Hyatt House, Del Taco
Posts: 5,378
@ jc94
Thanks for talking through this decision with me. The 24hr cancel deadline was coming up and I had to make a decision and so I ultimately decided to cancel based on what you'd previously written and many of the comments I saw on seatguru. I didn't see your latest reply until after I'd cancelled. Had I seen it before, maybe I would not have cancelled. Everything you say makes sense and, in hindsight, you're right. I would've survived. Everyone else does. It would've been a long 9 hours, but it's still only 9 hours. Oh well, I've already canceled (and it'll take a week or more for the miles to redeposit, so I can't rebook for a while). Ultimately what made me decide to pass was the prospect of this awful return flight on Rouge hanging over my head and potentially compromising my ability to enjoy the entire trip.
Thanks for talking through this decision with me. The 24hr cancel deadline was coming up and I had to make a decision and so I ultimately decided to cancel based on what you'd previously written and many of the comments I saw on seatguru. I didn't see your latest reply until after I'd cancelled. Had I seen it before, maybe I would not have cancelled. Everything you say makes sense and, in hindsight, you're right. I would've survived. Everyone else does. It would've been a long 9 hours, but it's still only 9 hours. Oh well, I've already canceled (and it'll take a week or more for the miles to redeposit, so I can't rebook for a while). Ultimately what made me decide to pass was the prospect of this awful return flight on Rouge hanging over my head and potentially compromising my ability to enjoy the entire trip.
Sep 3, 2018, 5:27 pm
#7736
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,331
I'm a bit confused with the seat maps on some rouge flights.
Specifically, AC 1795 YQB-YYZ on September 23 is showing as being operated by a 321.
However, the J cabin map shows 1AC 2ACDF 3ACDF, for a total of 10 seats. However, the ACr 319 has 12 seats, and the 321 has 16.
Any idea what's going on?
Specifically, AC 1795 YQB-YYZ on September 23 is showing as being operated by a 321.
However, the J cabin map shows 1AC 2ACDF 3ACDF, for a total of 10 seats. However, the ACr 319 has 12 seats, and the 321 has 16.
Any idea what's going on?
Sep 3, 2018, 6:11 pm
#7737
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,363
I'm a bit confused with the seat maps on some rouge flights.
Specifically, AC 1795 YQB-YYZ on September 23 is showing as being operated by a 321.
However, the J cabin map shows 1AC 2ACDF 3ACDF, for a total of 10 seats. However, the ACr 319 has 12 seats, and the 321 has 16.
Any idea what's going on?
Specifically, AC 1795 YQB-YYZ on September 23 is showing as being operated by a 321.
However, the J cabin map shows 1AC 2ACDF 3ACDF, for a total of 10 seats. However, the ACr 319 has 12 seats, and the 321 has 16.
Any idea what's going on?
Sep 6, 2018, 8:48 pm
#7738
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,331
It sounds like AC may have bought some 321s from another airline. These flights are being sold as 10J 190Y, compared to the regular 16J 184Y.
The seat map shows 193Y.
So it seems like they're capping it so if there's a swap, they haven't sold 3 too many seats.
Best case scenario for me is a last minute swap that opens up 6 more seats for gate upgrades
The seat map shows 193Y.
So it seems like they're capping it so if there's a swap, they haven't sold 3 too many seats.
Best case scenario for me is a last minute swap that opens up 6 more seats for gate upgrades
Sep 6, 2018, 8:51 pm
#7739
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2014
Programs: AC SE100K-1MM, NH, DL, AA, BA, Global Entry/Nexus, APEC..
Posts: 18,877
I'm a bit confused with the seat maps on some rouge flights.
Specifically, AC 1795 YQB-YYZ on September 23 is showing as being operated by a 321.
However, the J cabin map shows 1AC 2ACDF 3ACDF, for a total of 10 seats. However, the ACr 319 has 12 seats, and the 321 has 16.
Any idea what's going on?
Specifically, AC 1795 YQB-YYZ on September 23 is showing as being operated by a 321.
However, the J cabin map shows 1AC 2ACDF 3ACDF, for a total of 10 seats. However, the ACr 319 has 12 seats, and the 321 has 16.
Any idea what's going on?
You can wave to me from up front while I sit in Y-steerage for the short hop.
Sep 6, 2018, 8:55 pm
#7740
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,331
This flight is really weird. It's J1 C0 Y4 B0, but I can IKK all 4 of those Y.