May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
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Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
May 15, 2016, 11:08 am
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2) Bump them.
I strongly feel AC needs to protect their products. I understand that with leisure routes there is a large # of no shows, but I'm not the one running the airline.
I'm just tired of AC giving stuff away for free, Rouge included. WS doesn't have to oversell to run a profitable business for their leisure markets, I'm sure AC can do the same.
Life would be so much better without people who expect things like Plus when they don't pay for it. These are the people who fly, max, twice a year. They should mean nothing to Air Canada but they unfortunately do.
May 15, 2016, 12:05 pm
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1) Stop overselling
2) Bump them.
I strongly feel AC needs to protect their products. I understand that with leisure routes there is a large # of no shows, but I'm not the one running the airline.
I'm just tired of AC giving stuff away for free, Rouge included. WS doesn't have to oversell to run a profitable business for their leisure markets, I'm sure AC can do the same.
2) Bump them.
I strongly feel AC needs to protect their products. I understand that with leisure routes there is a large # of no shows, but I'm not the one running the airline.
I'm just tired of AC giving stuff away for free, Rouge included. WS doesn't have to oversell to run a profitable business for their leisure markets, I'm sure AC can do the same.
2. Value is in the eye of the beholder not in Rouge's Rose coloured glasses or in AC'S tone deaf Queen St e tower. If youre tired of AC and rougr giving away "free" items that you value preciously, despite Rouge's customers paying some of the highest rasms on the continent, then maybe you should try flying true LCC where everyone pays for everything a la carte (and more equal from your pov) and stop flying AC/rouge.
May 15, 2016, 12:08 pm
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1. Then you completely don't understand the difference between leisure and premium models
2. Value is in the eye of the beholder not in Rouge's Rose coloured glasses or in AC'S tone deaf Queen St e tower. If youre tired of AC and rougr giving away "free" items that you value preciously, despite Rouge's customers paying some of the highest rasms on the continent, then maybe you should try flying true LCC where everyone pays for everything a la carte (and more equal from your pov) and stop flying AC/rouge.
2. Value is in the eye of the beholder not in Rouge's Rose coloured glasses or in AC'S tone deaf Queen St e tower. If youre tired of AC and rougr giving away "free" items that you value preciously, despite Rouge's customers paying some of the highest rasms on the continent, then maybe you should try flying true LCC where everyone pays for everything a la carte (and more equal from your pov) and stop flying AC/rouge.
2) AC/Rouge can do whatever they want. I will continue to do what I will with Rouge, which is fly PR.
Me? Fly a LCC? Surely we have never met.
May 15, 2016, 12:19 pm
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I was once told that the most no shows are on business routes and not leisure routes. This is because the large majority of lat sales are for business and people change their schedules last min.
May 15, 2016, 12:21 pm
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But it sounds like that model woukd fit your pov that woukd assuage any anger or frustration you would have to your fellow passengers. Further WJ is not the flag carrier of Canada, their raison d'être is different than acs and thus do not carry the privilege nor the responsibilities of maintaining that status.
2. Your pov is consistent with those who would enjoy flying an LCC. Where everybody is equal and has the freedom (and empowerment)to pay for what they want.
But it's quite hypocritical/iromic to be structurally complaining about your fellow comrades on a rouge flight, yet continue to associate with them and fly rouge. Given other alternatives that woukd align better with your pov.
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May 15, 2016, 12:24 pm
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If I know my last meeting is ending on Friday at 4pm, I'll book the 6pm flight out. Chances are I'm not moving that meeting...
I seem to recall reading something somewhere that talked about leisure routes. I seem to recall something about AC overselling the Cuba route by 50%. I'm fairly certain I read it on EnRoute.
But yeah I would guess that Rouge regularly oversells their flights. Their RM must love that.
But yeah my guess would be that Rouge regularly oversells vs ML. (IMO ML doesn't oversell as aggressively).
May 15, 2016, 12:27 pm
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May 15, 2016, 1:06 pm
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But what if your meeting ended early, say 2pm or your meeting went long, say 5pm. Chances are you are on a different flight. This is one reason I buy FP's. I can book my flights last min.
May 15, 2016, 1:14 pm
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Fair point. I would pay the SDC so I can see your viewpoint on this versus a family would tough it out
May 15, 2016, 1:24 pm
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May 15, 2016, 2:28 pm
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But it's not a separate cabin. The seats come out of the same inventory.
Someone could buy up to a preferred seat as late as when check-in closes.
And in what world is bumping someone better for the company than putting someone in an otherwise empty seat?
I suppose they could first call up the elites who were not entitled to free preferred seats (E75K and lower on Tango, E50K and lower on international, etc.) and offer them the preferred seats before giving them to those who didn't select a seat. But that's the extent of what I'd like.
Someone could buy up to a preferred seat as late as when check-in closes.
And in what world is bumping someone better for the company than putting someone in an otherwise empty seat?
I suppose they could first call up the elites who were not entitled to free preferred seats (E75K and lower on Tango, E50K and lower on international, etc.) and offer them the preferred seats before giving them to those who didn't select a seat. But that's the extent of what I'd like.
May 15, 2016, 3:20 pm
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My advice is to AVOID ROUGE AT ALL COSTS for long haul flights. If you are comfortable in sardine class for a short flight fine, but look after your self on board the flight. Do not sit there like an idiot.
here is a good reason why...
AC Rouge will put you into very a confined space for which you are paying money for. There can be consequences for this space such as death.
Deep Vein Thromboses is a possible outcome. One of my neighbors died of this 3 days after a flight from LHR and he was in perfect physical shape. it is frequently referred to as Economy Class syndrome, but that name could be broadened to include many high density carriers.
The difficulty for the leisure traveler is they likely have no knowledge or understanding on exactly what type of flight they are booking on. They go by price not comfort which is rarely described by airlines anymore. Just fill them up is the attitude.
I find this new level of marketing to be very unprofessional and disrespectful to the consumer.
here is a good reason why...
AC Rouge will put you into very a confined space for which you are paying money for. There can be consequences for this space such as death.
Deep Vein Thromboses is a possible outcome. One of my neighbors died of this 3 days after a flight from LHR and he was in perfect physical shape. it is frequently referred to as Economy Class syndrome, but that name could be broadened to include many high density carriers.
The difficulty for the leisure traveler is they likely have no knowledge or understanding on exactly what type of flight they are booking on. They go by price not comfort which is rarely described by airlines anymore. Just fill them up is the attitude.
I find this new level of marketing to be very unprofessional and disrespectful to the consumer.
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May 15, 2016, 4:17 pm
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My advice is to AVOID ROUGE AT ALL COSTS for long haul flights. If you are comfortable in sardine class for a short flight fine, but look after your self on board the flight. Do not sit there like an idiot.
here is a good reason why...
AC Rouge will put you into very a confined space for which you are paying money for. There can be consequences for this space such as death.
Deep Vein Thromboses is a possible outcome. One of my neighbors died of this 3 days after a flight from LHR and he was in perfect physical shape. it is frequently referred to as Economy Class syndrome, but that name could be broadened to include many high density carriers.
The difficulty for the leisure traveler is they likely have no knowledge or understanding on exactly what type of flight they are booking on. They go by price not comfort which is rarely described by airlines anymore. Just fill them up is the attitude.
I find this new level of marketing to be very unprofessional and disrespectful to the consumer.
here is a good reason why...
AC Rouge will put you into very a confined space for which you are paying money for. There can be consequences for this space such as death.
Deep Vein Thromboses is a possible outcome. One of my neighbors died of this 3 days after a flight from LHR and he was in perfect physical shape. it is frequently referred to as Economy Class syndrome, but that name could be broadened to include many high density carriers.
The difficulty for the leisure traveler is they likely have no knowledge or understanding on exactly what type of flight they are booking on. They go by price not comfort which is rarely described by airlines anymore. Just fill them up is the attitude.
I find this new level of marketing to be very unprofessional and disrespectful to the consumer.
Sorry to hear about your friend, but DVT can occur to someone flying F. It happens.
This isn't Rouge specific. What about LCC's, ULCC's? Are there reports of death from DVT?
May 15, 2016, 4:36 pm
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My advice is to AVOID ROUGE AT ALL COSTS for long haul flights. If you are comfortable in sardine class for a short flight fine, but look after your self on board the flight. Do not sit there like an idiot.
here is a good reason why...
AC Rouge will put you into very a confined space for which you are paying money for. There can be consequences for this space such as death.
Deep Vein Thromboses is a possible outcome. One of my neighbors died of this 3 days after a flight from LHR and he was in perfect physical shape. it is frequently referred to as Economy Class syndrome, but that name could be broadened to include many high density carriers.
The difficulty for the leisure traveler is they likely have no knowledge or understanding on exactly what type of flight they are booking on. They go by price not comfort which is rarely described by airlines anymore. Just fill them up is the attitude.
I find this new level of marketing to be very unprofessional and disrespectful to the consumer.
here is a good reason why...
AC Rouge will put you into very a confined space for which you are paying money for. There can be consequences for this space such as death.
Deep Vein Thromboses is a possible outcome. One of my neighbors died of this 3 days after a flight from LHR and he was in perfect physical shape. it is frequently referred to as Economy Class syndrome, but that name could be broadened to include many high density carriers.
The difficulty for the leisure traveler is they likely have no knowledge or understanding on exactly what type of flight they are booking on. They go by price not comfort which is rarely described by airlines anymore. Just fill them up is the attitude.
I find this new level of marketing to be very unprofessional and disrespectful to the consumer.
May 15, 2016, 6:28 pm
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And to SAP -- yes there have been many, many deaths associated with DVT (when DVT leads to pulmonary thromboembolism), but travel is not the only cause of DVT.....actually, there are many more cases resulting from health care than air travel.