Mini RTW Questions
Dec 2, 2013, 9:32 am
#2251
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SFO
Programs: AA EXP,AS MVPG,MR Platinum,HH Gold
Posts: 1,343
This isn't RTW per se, but it pertains to aeroplan reward and stopovers/open jaws nonetheless.
Can I do something like this for 15k points:
YYZ-EWR (open jaw) YUL-YYZ?
I know there's a rule against domestic itineraries with transborder stopovers, but technically this is a yyz-ewr trip. Thoughts on the legality of this?
Can I do something like this for 15k points:
YYZ-EWR (open jaw) YUL-YYZ?
I know there's a rule against domestic itineraries with transborder stopovers, but technically this is a yyz-ewr trip. Thoughts on the legality of this?
YYZ-EWR is 348sm
EWR-YUL (the unflown segment) is 331sm (longer than YUL-YYZ)
YUL-YYZ is 316sm
http://www.gcmap.com/cgi-bin/gc2q?Q=...162&QCM=M&QD=M
Not sure if Aeroplan will enforce this.
Dec 2, 2013, 10:50 am
#2252
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: West
Posts: 3,357
This isn't RTW per se, but it pertains to aeroplan reward and stopovers/open jaws nonetheless.
Can I do something like this for 15k points:
YYZ-EWR (open jaw) YUL-YYZ?
I know there's a rule against domestic itineraries with transborder stopovers, but technically this is a yyz-ewr trip. Thoughts on the legality of this?
Can I do something like this for 15k points:
YYZ-EWR (open jaw) YUL-YYZ?
I know there's a rule against domestic itineraries with transborder stopovers, but technically this is a yyz-ewr trip. Thoughts on the legality of this?
Dec 2, 2013, 2:39 pm
#2253
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,536
This is technically an invalid open jaw since the unflown sector must be the shortest.
YYZ-EWR is 348sm
EWR-YUL (the unflown segment) is 331sm (longer than YUL-YYZ)
YUL-YYZ is 316sm
http://www.gcmap.com/cgi-bin/gc2q?Q=...162&QCM=M&QD=M
Not sure if Aeroplan will enforce this.
YYZ-EWR is 348sm
EWR-YUL (the unflown segment) is 331sm (longer than YUL-YYZ)
YUL-YYZ is 316sm
http://www.gcmap.com/cgi-bin/gc2q?Q=...162&QCM=M&QD=M
Not sure if Aeroplan will enforce this.
Dec 7, 2013, 12:49 am
#2254
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Yei, South Sudan
Posts: 11
How many stopovers and total segments can a one way award from US-Africa have? Looking at booking some travel next summer...
Dec 7, 2013, 6:41 am
#2255
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,314
no limit on segments any more.
On Jan.1 - one way award prices go down in terms of mileage required to half of roundtrip (right now its like 67%), but the chart is being devalued as well.
Dec 7, 2013, 6:54 am
#2256
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,924
Kinda sorta - if one's interest is purely one ways to Africa, then technically one will benefit from the "reduction" in price to 50% of the RT itin.
Dec 8, 2013, 7:22 am
#2257
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: YYZ
Posts: 1,666
I just learned of a new term today: cabotage.
Is this cabotaging?
JFK-NRT
NRT-ICN
ICN-KIX
KIX-BKK
All the stopovers are under 24 hours. I'm a little nervous I might be denied boarding - but no one at OZ or AC has raised the alarm about that routing quite yet.
Is this cabotaging?
JFK-NRT
NRT-ICN
ICN-KIX
KIX-BKK
All the stopovers are under 24 hours. I'm a little nervous I might be denied boarding - but no one at OZ or AC has raised the alarm about that routing quite yet.
Dec 8, 2013, 7:36 am
#2258
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,924
This is cabotage: YVR-ORD-YYZ. Or this: ORD-NRT-GUM *not* on a US carrier.
NRT-ICN-KIX would be if you got on in NRT and exited at KIX.
Anyway, if it ticketed you should be okay.
Dec 8, 2013, 2:07 pm
#2259
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
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Posts: 44,354
I don't think that is cabotage. It's a weird routing for sure. but not cabotage methinks.
This is cabotage: YVR-ORD-YYZ. Or this: ORD-NRT-GUM *not* on a US carrier.
NRT-ICN-KIX would be if you got on in NRT and exited at KIX.
Anyway, if it ticketed you should be okay.
This is cabotage: YVR-ORD-YYZ. Or this: ORD-NRT-GUM *not* on a US carrier.
NRT-ICN-KIX would be if you got on in NRT and exited at KIX.
Anyway, if it ticketed you should be okay.
Dec 8, 2013, 7:47 pm
#2260
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 119
Is this routing valid, agent said not?
YYZ-FRA
FRA-NRT--stop
NRT-BKK
BKK-SGN--stop
SGN-BKK--stop
BKK-CDG
CDG-FRA
FRA-YYZ
YYZ-FRA
FRA-NRT--stop
NRT-BKK
BKK-SGN--stop
SGN-BKK--stop
BKK-CDG
CDG-FRA
FRA-YYZ
Dec 8, 2013, 9:54 pm
#2261
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE-MM, BA Bronze, Marriott Titanium & lifetime Plat
Posts: 1,820
YYZ-SGN MPM5 is 13,066 over the Atlantic. That route is 13,100. Unfortunately just barely illegal. (For info, it's 10,945 over the Pacific.)
Dec 9, 2013, 8:07 am
#2262
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,924
And anyway, they probably look up by TYO, not NRT/HND.Btw in case anyone is wondering: they will NOT override this. The reason is, the system is set up to encourage idiocy. They plug in YYZ-FRA-NRT-BKK-SGN and the system returns what MPM it falls in under. Assuming MPM5 is 13,100 miles, and your route is 13,099, it will reply back, "MPM5" and the agent will allow it. Sadly, if your routing is 13,101, it will reply "MPM10" - and the agent will disallow it. They don't have any way of KNOWING it's a single mile over.
Dec 9, 2013, 8:52 am
#2263
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE-MM, BA Bronze, Marriott Titanium & lifetime Plat
Posts: 1,820
Replacing NRT with ICN would make it work (or PEK, I'm sure). Not sure if you need to hit Tokyo or just want to see one of the big far eastern cities.
Dec 9, 2013, 9:22 pm
#2264
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Aeroplan Diamond, SPG Plat, Hilton Gold, Marriott
Posts: 1,839
You will be exhausted before you get to BKK.
Dec 10, 2013, 8:40 am
#2265
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,784
would someone be kind enough to validate if below is over MPM for me? seems way over at 22K miles
Aeroplan Mini-RTW in J (125K before 1/1/2014) for 2 adults for Sept-Oct 2014
ex-PVG either PVG-NRT-IST-MUC/ZRH on NH/TK 77W, or otherwise PVG-PEK-CDG-MUC/ZRH on Air China 77W
(stop #1 is visiting MUC or ZRH, can arrive/leave from either)
TATL: either ZRH-IST-JFK-YYZ on TK 77W, or ZRH-BOS-YYZ on LX A333
YYZ-TPE BR, stop #2
TPE-PVG BR
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=pvg-nrt...&MP=rect&DU=mi
Thanks
Aeroplan Mini-RTW in J (125K before 1/1/2014) for 2 adults for Sept-Oct 2014
ex-PVG either PVG-NRT-IST-MUC/ZRH on NH/TK 77W, or otherwise PVG-PEK-CDG-MUC/ZRH on Air China 77W
(stop #1 is visiting MUC or ZRH, can arrive/leave from either)
TATL: either ZRH-IST-JFK-YYZ on TK 77W, or ZRH-BOS-YYZ on LX A333
YYZ-TPE BR, stop #2
TPE-PVG BR
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=pvg-nrt...&MP=rect&DU=mi
3 segment path: 7699 mi
PVG (31°08'36"N 121°48'19"E) NRT (35°45'55"N 140°23'08"E) 68.5° (E) 1118 mi
NRT (35°45'55"N 140°23'08"E) IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) 314.7° (NW) 5603 mi
IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) MUC (48°21'14"N 11°47'10"E) 307.1° (NW) 978 mi
5 segment path: 14417 mi
ZRH (47°27'53"N 8°32'57"E) IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) 106.7° (E) 1097 mi
IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 309.0° (NW) 5016 mi
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) 306.8° (NW) 366 mi
YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) TPE (25°04'40"N 121°13'58"E) 340.1° (N) 7519 mi
TPE (25°04'40"N 121°13'58"E) PVG (31°08'36"N 121°48'19"E) 4.7° (N) 419 mi
Total: 22116 mi
PVG (31°08'36"N 121°48'19"E) NRT (35°45'55"N 140°23'08"E) 68.5° (E) 1118 mi
NRT (35°45'55"N 140°23'08"E) IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) 314.7° (NW) 5603 mi
IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) MUC (48°21'14"N 11°47'10"E) 307.1° (NW) 978 mi
5 segment path: 14417 mi
ZRH (47°27'53"N 8°32'57"E) IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) 106.7° (E) 1097 mi
IST (40°58'34"N 28°48'50"E) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 309.0° (NW) 5016 mi
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) 306.8° (NW) 366 mi
YYZ (43°40'38"N 79°37'50"W) TPE (25°04'40"N 121°13'58"E) 340.1° (N) 7519 mi
TPE (25°04'40"N 121°13'58"E) PVG (31°08'36"N 121°48'19"E) 4.7° (N) 419 mi
Total: 22116 mi