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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Rommie2k6
This in an example of how airlines and their police thugs have taken away our rights at the airport. For those who side with United and/or the police, a big middle finger, but then considering half of this country voted for Trump, why should I be surprised?

This is what's wrong with air travel. Damn airlines and their police thugs on power trip.
People who voted for Trump had a right to do so.

But agree that mindset of this great nation has been changing unfortunately.
Unacceptable behaviour (bullying) towards minorities (especially those who are perceived as midle eastern) is deemed acceptable by many under the pretext of "security" and "law abiding".

Racisim, prejudice and jingoist behaviour nowadays come in many milder form. It doesnt have to be use of "n" word or burning cross. Internet forums like FT seem to be one of the platforms for these people.

Doesnt matter who is at fault. Doesnt matter what lawyering of fine print allows. As a society we should be ashamed of what happened. Call to local congressman might help.

Better laws. Better regulations. Better rules. Better training. Whatever it takes. Supporting what has happened is sickening.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by PushingTin
I could give a crap what two other parties have worked out between them. UA can tell it's pilots they get to ride me like a pony between gates.
I am not taking a position as to what the Republic pilots would have said, should have done, etc. I'm just providing some insight on a subject most posters clearly have no idea about... and regardless of your position on the matter, it actually has an impact on the passenger experience.

Originally Posted by George Purcell
Interesting that, as many of us were speculating last night, by United's admission this was NOT an Oversold situation and as such IDB was not authorized. But, hey, when you've got cops and/or gate agents willing to lie about a 69 year old guy sitting in a seat taking a punch at LEO, what's a few pesky contract provisions to worry about?
You're right... it was not precisely an oversale situation. Absent the last-minute Republic crew which appeared to ride on their metal to make up a Republic flight the next day, the flight would have gone out with every seat occupied and we would never have heard a thing. Perhaps 'overbooked' is a more accurate term to describe when confirmed must-ride employees bump revenue passengers.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by mdkowals
Agree, this is United's "Pinto" moment, their culture had them trying to outsmart their systems instead of doing the right thing (and applied a cash value of $0 to escalating levels of customer inconvenience, including having already sat down on your plane).

Corporate culture lessons:
1) Promote leadership at the lowest level possible, at the root of this is probably some gate agent who wasn't genuinely empowered to find a better solution (i.e. higher offer) to fix this situation.
2) The free market is dynamic, the solutions need to be dynamic. Finding the price point where 8% of people are willing to get off a plane and experience a 22 hour delay and finding a price point where 2% of the people are willing to experience a 5 hour delay aren't going to result in the same solution.
3) Have a crisis management plan in place, it's during peace you prepare for war. IDB passenger refuses to IDB doesn't seem to be an unreasonable thing to prepare for if you're an airline.
Your point 1 is key to the issue. UA went away from a culture where agents were able to assess a situation and sort through what was the best win-win for all parties. I was several times the beneficiary of a decision that "wasn't quite kosher but got the job done." This extended to all sorts of things - even though I should have been charged for a flight change (just for example) the GA I was standing in front of know a) there were seats, b) I'd be happy and, C) it opened a seat on a later flight for possible sale. I was happy and it cost the airline the cost of printing a new boarding pass - essentially nothing.

Under SMI/J this changed to a culture where everyone was a scared rabbit, and the approach was all rules based. It was expressed to me by several long-term employees as "I can't do that since everything I do is audited and I'll get disciplined." This is a HUGE problem and it was systemic. Things overall do seem to be getting a little more relaxed, but one of the reasons I continue pay for Club membership is because those agents seem to have a little more leeway and/or know how to game the system.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by mre5765
Quite the reversal by Oscar.

I've seen such contrition in CEOs before. Right before the board fires them.
To be fair, the BOD has to come out publicly and give him a "vote of confidence" first 😂😂
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by njcommodore
Are you kidding?!

There are about 765,000 sworn police officers in the US. Saying "there is a tendency among US cops to use excessive force" is grossly exaggerated.
Have you ever talked to a cop abroad vs a cop here in the US. It's usually a totally different tone. I'm not blaming the cops. Given how frequent firearms are in the US, a cop will be extremely cautious in ordinary situation (e.g. stoping a speeding motorist). That said, you can't deny that excessive force cases are far more frequent here than in other first world countries.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:54 pm
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This Washington Post article has an account of Tyler Bridges, the husband of the woman who posted the video, in particular:
Originally Posted by Washington Post
“He says, ‘Nope. I’m not getting off the flight,’” Bridges said. “‘I’m a doctor and have to see patients tomorrow morning.’”

United said crew members apologetically told the man to leave, several times, “and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.”

“He wasn’t cussing, but he was yelling and he was upset,” Bridges said. “He said, more or less, ‘I’m being selected because I’m Chinese.’”
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by toadman
How long before UA files chapter 11?
C'mon. The oligopoly is rigged now so the Big Four cannot help but make money, no matter how they deteriorate.

Originally Posted by Michael899
My sense in two decades of dealing with C-suite folks is that the first, knee-jerk response is usually more reflective of their genuine thoughts and feelings... the damage (especially with Monday's internal email) has been done and continues to resonate. Blaming the victim was a terrible strategy to deploy publicly.
Originally Posted by mre5765
I've seen such contrition in CEOs before. Right before the board fires them.
As Benny Hill used to yelp as a sketch-ending punch line: "It is too late to apologize!"

The videos ran round the world while Munoz was lacing up his shoes.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I think it's hilarious how some people here think the wording 'lawful police order' means that a civilian can choose based on their own amateur legal opinion on whether to comply with officers or that their compliance can be postponed until the Supreme Court has settled the legality. It's also amazing how people think the order to leave an airplane is somehow 'extreme' rather than a reasonable request based on the situation (i.e. the operator of the airplane is refusing to transport the person). People watch too much TV, read too much crap and generally think they're all Civil Rights heroes because they talk back every time they get an instruction.
You know, it can be true both that the man disobeyed a lawful order AND that United should have never allowed the situation to occur in the first place.

It also may be the case that the responding officers behaved in manner that contributed to the situation. The employing agency has stated that SOP was not followed and that the officer's actions were not condoned.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:55 pm
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CEO tries to save his job. That's all.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:56 pm
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He should resign immediately!

Originally Posted by SeaHawg
To be fair, the BOD has to come out publicly and give him a "vote of confidence" first 😂😂
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by milepig
Your point 1 is key to the issue. UA went away from a culture where agents were able to assess a situation and sort through what was the best win-win for all parties. I was several times the beneficiary of a decision that "wasn't quite kosher but got the job done." This extended to all sorts of things - even though I should have been charged for a flight change (just for example) the GA I was standing in front of know a) there were seats, b) I'd be happy and, C) it opened a seat on a later flight for possible sale. I was happy and it cost the airline the cost of printing a new boarding pass - essentially nothing.

Under SMI/J this changed to a culture where everyone was a scared rabbit, and the approach was all rules based. It was expressed to me by several long-term employees as "I can't do that since everything I do is audited and I'll get disciplined." This is a HUGE problem and it was systemic. Things overall do seem to be getting a little more relaxed, but one of the reasons I continue pay for Club membership is because those agents seem to have a little more leeway and/or know how to game the system.
If they have too much leeway and do stuff that isn't 'kosher', it also creates opportunities for misconduct and 'disasters'. There's a constant back and forth between tightening and loosening the leash on staff in any corporate context because both come with significant pros and cons.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:57 pm
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UA says they offered $1,000 to volunteers but some sources say it was capped at $800...
What's the real story here? Is it true that UA contract of carriage allows a $2,500 compensation for overbooking? If it does, why it was capped at $800-$1000? I'm pretty sure that at 1,500 one person happily have stood up.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:58 pm
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The man who forcibly removed Dr. Dao, who does he work for?
-Chicago PD
-Chicago Transit Authority
-United Airlines
-Air Marshall.

Why is he unarmed and is he a law enforcement officer that can make an arrest (not citizens arrest) when a crime is committed?


This is a case study in how to turn bad PR into a PR crisis, then a PR disaster.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:58 pm
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another perspective

I think about myself in that situation. I was a nervous flyer for years - I actually didn't fly anywhere unless I absolutely had to for some years.It's part of why I joined FT 16 years ago - to earn more about what flying was actually like.

Little by little - using therapy, medication, and short trips over a regular schedule i have come to enjoy flying especially as there's places I want to go that you need to fly to get to. No meds, no alcohol - I truly like to fly now.

But I think about how I might have reacted here- if I had to get home for work the next day and couldn't miss it. I'm a college instructor so it's not the same as having patients but we get mightily dinged for missing a class unexpectedly.

If Id been confronted with having to get off the plane and no flight til the next morning, my anxiety would have skyrocketed and I very likely would have gotten hysterical, upset and maybe even belligerent. I know I would not have reacted well - does that give the airline the excuse to manhandle me? If LEO's or security were called because I refused to leave it is really worth it to anyone to drag me off the plane?

The analogy (flawed I know) that comes to mind is from when I worked in insurance. We were always warned that "you take the plaintiff as you find him." So if you injure a person who already has a bad back, and they need to take off a month from work where as a totally healthy person would only need 3 says, too bad for you. You had the bad luck to injure someone with a pre existing problem.

So if UA/Republic had the misfortune to want to IDB someone who freaked out about not getting home on time that's their bad luck. In my case, if I was so upset that the airline passed on me and went to someone else - maybe that wouldn't be "fair" on some scale, but would it have been fair on another broader one?
I don't have any answers especially as there's so much misinformation I don't think anyone knows the whole story.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by minnyfly
Obliviously I do and you don't. What has been suggested would empower the passengers to escalate any situation with threat. The airline now has no rights on their own property. They are held hostage to the passenger's demands. Their only recourse would be to cancel the flight.
They had lots of recourse and you know it. They could have starting increasing their offers and found volunteers. They could have sat down with the man, next to his seat, and calmly and politely worked with him, instead of making brusque demands. They could have let the flight be delayed a few minutes to avoid a confrontation. What was he threatening? He was threatening absolutely nothing. They had many other ways to get the seat they needed.

But even if they wanted to play hardball, they could have threatened him with a number of courses of action short of the use of physical force. They could have threatened to ban him; they could have threatened to sue him. They didn't need to have him physically removed. This did not call for a police action--they should not have asked for it, and the police should not have complied with their request to do so.
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