Boeing 777-200LR: seating Q&A
Apr 3, 2016, 2:36 am
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Boeing 777-200LR: seating Q&A
This thread is for all your questions (and answers) regarding the best, the worst, the noisiest, the quietest seats etc etc on board QR’s fleet of Boeing 777-200LR aircraft.
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The QR Source interative seat map
Quick links to the full suite of QR seating Q&A threads:
Note: A320, A321, A330, and A340 threads will be launched in the near future
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Apr 3, 2016, 6:38 am
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The Business Class Cabin
Business Class passengers will turn left upon boarding both layouts of the 777-200.
The Business Class cabin comprises 42 seats, spread across 7 rows. The configuration is 2-2-2.
All seats offer the same in terms of legroom, however Row 4A/4K are missing one window, and as such only offer one (opposed to two) windows to look out.
The seats are totally flat, although some FTers have pointed out that there is a small hump at shoulder-level when the seat is flat. Each seat is equipped with a large IFE screen, and a Power-Outlet, as well as a USB slot for charging devices (or watching content through the screen).
A Solo-Flyer
As a solo-flyer, the best will depend on what you enjoy. If you prefer to look out of the window, select any of the A/K seats (but remember that Row 4 is missing one window). If you prefer direct-aisle access, pick any of the B/E/F/J seats; but bear in mind if you are in a B/J seat, your neighbour will have to hop over your legs to access to the aisle.
Between the seats, is a small divider. It does not offer much by way of privacy when seated upright, but is fine for sleeping.
For those sat in Rows 1, 4, and 5, there may be potential disturbance from the galley, in the form of light and noise. Additionally, there are 2 bathrooms either ahead, or behind, which will likely be used throughout the flight. While there is a curtain to prevent noise and light, the curtain is of a lighter material than those found on the A380/A350/B787.
For those sat in Row 7, you may encounter disturbance from the bassinet seats in the first row of the Economy Class cabin. As such, you may be disturbed by the noise of infants enduring a tough flight. Please be considerate to those in that situation, as flying is not easy for young ones.
A Couple
If you are travelling as a couple on this aircraft, you're in luck. Many FTers have said that the 777 is their favourite aircraft when travelling with a partner.
Similar to the advice above, the best seats will depend on what you prefer. However, most couples opt for the A/B and J/K seats as it allows for both window, and aisle access.
As a couple, you will easily be able talk to one-and-other from the comfort of your seat, and QR crew are able serve your meals so that you can eat at the same time.
Above seats 1E/1F, on the bulkhead, is a large information screen. This stays on throughout the flight, offering a roaming map perspective. As such, this may become intrusive.
Business Class passengers will turn left upon boarding both layouts of the 777-200.
The Business Class cabin comprises 42 seats, spread across 7 rows. The configuration is 2-2-2.
All seats offer the same in terms of legroom, however Row 4A/4K are missing one window, and as such only offer one (opposed to two) windows to look out.
The seats are totally flat, although some FTers have pointed out that there is a small hump at shoulder-level when the seat is flat. Each seat is equipped with a large IFE screen, and a Power-Outlet, as well as a USB slot for charging devices (or watching content through the screen).
A Solo-Flyer
As a solo-flyer, the best will depend on what you enjoy. If you prefer to look out of the window, select any of the A/K seats (but remember that Row 4 is missing one window). If you prefer direct-aisle access, pick any of the B/E/F/J seats; but bear in mind if you are in a B/J seat, your neighbour will have to hop over your legs to access to the aisle.
Between the seats, is a small divider. It does not offer much by way of privacy when seated upright, but is fine for sleeping.
For those sat in Rows 1, 4, and 5, there may be potential disturbance from the galley, in the form of light and noise. Additionally, there are 2 bathrooms either ahead, or behind, which will likely be used throughout the flight. While there is a curtain to prevent noise and light, the curtain is of a lighter material than those found on the A380/A350/B787.
For those sat in Row 7, you may encounter disturbance from the bassinet seats in the first row of the Economy Class cabin. As such, you may be disturbed by the noise of infants enduring a tough flight. Please be considerate to those in that situation, as flying is not easy for young ones.
A Couple
If you are travelling as a couple on this aircraft, you're in luck. Many FTers have said that the 777 is their favourite aircraft when travelling with a partner.
Similar to the advice above, the best seats will depend on what you prefer. However, most couples opt for the A/B and J/K seats as it allows for both window, and aisle access.
As a couple, you will easily be able talk to one-and-other from the comfort of your seat, and QR crew are able serve your meals so that you can eat at the same time.
Above seats 1E/1F, on the bulkhead, is a large information screen. This stays on throughout the flight, offering a roaming map perspective. As such, this may become intrusive.
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Aug 19, 2016, 11:35 pm
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Based on:
Boarding this aircraft whenever possible (DOH, LAX T-2, etc.) is L1 for Business and separate air bridge to L2 for Economy - it's nice and quiet, no Economy pax trudging through and bumping aisle passengers with back packs, etc. Flight Attendants will welcome and seat you. (Business and some oneworld elites receive Priority Access boarding; the remainder of passengers are boarded in groups 1, 2 or 3. Passengers are assigned seating areas for prople with handicaps, Priority boarding and the three numbered groups in DOH.)
Side overhead bins can take a nominal 22" rollaboard lengthways; centre bins are shallower and better for laptops, smaller bags, etc. The cabin feels spacious and is provided with what seems to be the Boeing Sky lighting scheme.
Caveats: It's common to have families with children aboard, and some of these will be allowed to be loud. On a recent flight a toddler was equipped with full sets of ankle bells, which said toddler really loved - taking every opportunity to shake and stomp her feet. Some adults will speak full voice through the night. I find it easier to bring my own silicone ear plugs and fitted sleep mask. FAs and others walking by can cause floor vibration you can feel.
Occasional passengers may attempt to use your centre seat pair to get between aisles. This is poor etiquette, and I've seen passengers raise their footrest to impede them - and saw one female passenger castigate an intruder.
The seats used in Business Class are the fully reclining B/E Aerospace Parallel Diamond seats. These in a 2 X 2 X 2 configuration make the 777 cabin feel more spacious (AA "NGBC" is 2 X 3 X 2 for comparison - I'll be glad when these are gone). Seat pitch is 78" / 198 cm and seat width is 22" / 56 cm. I'm 193 cm / 6'4" and found the seat comfortable and just long enough.
For couples, the side pairs are nice; for solo flyers the centre seats offer more privacy, as nobody will be climbing over your supine form to access the aisle.
The seat back of the shell in front of you holds a large touch screen (a long reach when you're seated but with a wired remote at your seat), a large semi-open space that often ends up with bedding, and two large slots for passenger shoes. My size 46 / 12.5" shoes fit easily.
Each seat has an inconveniently placed 220 VAC with universal plug at the front base of the shared center arm rest assembly; these are covered by a sliding cover and inconspicuous. Below the far armrest and near the leading edge are medium sized stowage slots - good places for your beverage and food menus.
This assembly also holds the spacious centre-folding angled storage tables, which also offer forward and aft movement for more comfortable dining spacing. There are also two wells with sliding covers,operated by a small push button, that hold a good sized bottle of water provided by Qatar, and some additional storage space (your spectacles?). The push button for your well is on your side and slides into your seat area.
Shallow slots with hinged covers hold the corded remote IFE screen controller for the "Oryx 1" AVOD system and includes screen power on / off button, your overhead lamp switch button and flight attendant call button, as well as a covered USB (apparently 1.1 amp) power plug that suffices for slow mobile phone charger. Here is also a small sliding privacy divider. An open pocket by your hip is where you will find your headset (two prong connector if you wish to use yours), over the ear insulated affairs without active noise reduction. A gooseneck arm personal LCD lamp is there, and a power button offers two levels of light.
There is no WiFi on these aircraft.
Magazines are inconveniently placed in a rack behind and above your shoulder. Iirc, there are variable ceiling vents - iirc.
The seats are provided with fitted mattress pads the FAs are happy to set up for you, thin duvets and pillows. Pyjamas, slippers and Luis Vuitton amenity kits are handed out. These latter contain a small drawstring bag , the usual low end airline socks, ear plugs in tiny plastic clamshell case and eye sleep mask, chapstick, small bottle of Giorgio Armani eau de toilette, 75 ml (!) tube of Aqua Gio (Armani) after shave balm.
You can don your pyjamas in the nicely kept up lavs (kept clean throughout the flight except for the generally full waste bins) and FAs will hang your clothing in hanging lockers, a very nice service.
In the 777-200LR 42 seat J configuration, the forward cabin has a private feeling but rows 1 and 4 are a bit close to galley and lavs if you prefer quiet. The forward galleys are provided with thick curtains the FAs try to keep closed, but FA and passenger traffic assures these open and close all the time. The two lavs for 24 passengers are forward and on the port (left) side.
The second cabin is smaller, and row 5 has the same problems as row 1. Row 7 is directly in front of Economy bulkhead rows where baby bassinets are likely to be found and subject to noise from crying. The two lavs for the 18 passengers are forward, one port and one starboard.
Service is fairly attentive, with some personal variations. Expect the Cabin Service Director to introduce herself, pre-departure beverages including the (non-vintage, but decent) Champagnes in crystal and creative non-alcoholic drinks. Meals will be offered on demand - literally you can give the desired time or tell an FA when you're ready to eat - and be eating 10-15 minutes later (see the menu thread for more). Meal service is not trayed - you will have linen and silverware, and your food and beverages will be brought to your seat in course order.
There are duty free sales on board, and of course at HIA / DOH. Some quick comparisons with USA Amazon prices for electronics revealed prices about 40% over Amazon.
Arriving at Doha - Hamad International Airport, we parked on the Tarmac and busses were used to transport us to the terminal. Business passengers were unloaded with air stairs first, a dedicated bus was used for the J pax and we departed (and arrived at the terminal) prior to Economy passengers - a nice way to handle bus shuttles.
We had to process security before moving into the airside departures area (with lounges, airport hotel, etc.) on arrival from LAX; you need your ongoing boarding pass or e-ticket to do so. There are transit desks where you can get boarding passes. But many arriving passengers are not required to do this and arrive airside if they are arriving from "secure airports" - there is no published list of these, and occasionally a listed airport will still require screening.
(To go landside you need to go to a transit desk presumably, but residents of Gulf states and 23 countries can get visas on arrival. Alcohol importation is prohibited, and will be confiscated at Customs. Those smuggling alcohol into Qatar can get up to 40 lashes according to Katara law.)
Departing DOH for the USA there was security screening at the gate, and it took some time as most were unprepared and large electronics and liquids / gels had to be out and placed on trays, and a number of passengers were required to remove shoes. Even all plastic or fabric belts had to come off.
Note: the seat shown here is used in the 777-200LR and 777-300ER; mattress pads CN be seen sticking out slightly from seat front stowage bins. (c/o JohnnyJet.com)
- 10 Aug QR 740 LAX-DOH Boeing 777-2DZ/LR A7-ABH (2F)
- 18 Aug QR 739 DOH-LAX Boeing 777-2DZ/LR A7-BBA (3E)
Side overhead bins can take a nominal 22" rollaboard lengthways; centre bins are shallower and better for laptops, smaller bags, etc. The cabin feels spacious and is provided with what seems to be the Boeing Sky lighting scheme.
Caveats: It's common to have families with children aboard, and some of these will be allowed to be loud. On a recent flight a toddler was equipped with full sets of ankle bells, which said toddler really loved - taking every opportunity to shake and stomp her feet. Some adults will speak full voice through the night. I find it easier to bring my own silicone ear plugs and fitted sleep mask. FAs and others walking by can cause floor vibration you can feel.
Occasional passengers may attempt to use your centre seat pair to get between aisles. This is poor etiquette, and I've seen passengers raise their footrest to impede them - and saw one female passenger castigate an intruder.
The seats used in Business Class are the fully reclining B/E Aerospace Parallel Diamond seats. These in a 2 X 2 X 2 configuration make the 777 cabin feel more spacious (AA "NGBC" is 2 X 3 X 2 for comparison - I'll be glad when these are gone). Seat pitch is 78" / 198 cm and seat width is 22" / 56 cm. I'm 193 cm / 6'4" and found the seat comfortable and just long enough.
For couples, the side pairs are nice; for solo flyers the centre seats offer more privacy, as nobody will be climbing over your supine form to access the aisle.
The seat back of the shell in front of you holds a large touch screen (a long reach when you're seated but with a wired remote at your seat), a large semi-open space that often ends up with bedding, and two large slots for passenger shoes. My size 46 / 12.5" shoes fit easily.
Each seat has an inconveniently placed 220 VAC with universal plug at the front base of the shared center arm rest assembly; these are covered by a sliding cover and inconspicuous. Below the far armrest and near the leading edge are medium sized stowage slots - good places for your beverage and food menus.
This assembly also holds the spacious centre-folding angled storage tables, which also offer forward and aft movement for more comfortable dining spacing. There are also two wells with sliding covers,operated by a small push button, that hold a good sized bottle of water provided by Qatar, and some additional storage space (your spectacles?). The push button for your well is on your side and slides into your seat area.
Shallow slots with hinged covers hold the corded remote IFE screen controller for the "Oryx 1" AVOD system and includes screen power on / off button, your overhead lamp switch button and flight attendant call button, as well as a covered USB (apparently 1.1 amp) power plug that suffices for slow mobile phone charger. Here is also a small sliding privacy divider. An open pocket by your hip is where you will find your headset (two prong connector if you wish to use yours), over the ear insulated affairs without active noise reduction. A gooseneck arm personal LCD lamp is there, and a power button offers two levels of light.
There is no WiFi on these aircraft.
Magazines are inconveniently placed in a rack behind and above your shoulder. Iirc, there are variable ceiling vents - iirc.
The seats are provided with fitted mattress pads the FAs are happy to set up for you, thin duvets and pillows. Pyjamas, slippers and Luis Vuitton amenity kits are handed out. These latter contain a small drawstring bag , the usual low end airline socks, ear plugs in tiny plastic clamshell case and eye sleep mask, chapstick, small bottle of Giorgio Armani eau de toilette, 75 ml (!) tube of Aqua Gio (Armani) after shave balm.
You can don your pyjamas in the nicely kept up lavs (kept clean throughout the flight except for the generally full waste bins) and FAs will hang your clothing in hanging lockers, a very nice service.
In the 777-200LR 42 seat J configuration, the forward cabin has a private feeling but rows 1 and 4 are a bit close to galley and lavs if you prefer quiet. The forward galleys are provided with thick curtains the FAs try to keep closed, but FA and passenger traffic assures these open and close all the time. The two lavs for 24 passengers are forward and on the port (left) side.
The second cabin is smaller, and row 5 has the same problems as row 1. Row 7 is directly in front of Economy bulkhead rows where baby bassinets are likely to be found and subject to noise from crying. The two lavs for the 18 passengers are forward, one port and one starboard.
Service is fairly attentive, with some personal variations. Expect the Cabin Service Director to introduce herself, pre-departure beverages including the (non-vintage, but decent) Champagnes in crystal and creative non-alcoholic drinks. Meals will be offered on demand - literally you can give the desired time or tell an FA when you're ready to eat - and be eating 10-15 minutes later (see the menu thread for more). Meal service is not trayed - you will have linen and silverware, and your food and beverages will be brought to your seat in course order.
There are duty free sales on board, and of course at HIA / DOH. Some quick comparisons with USA Amazon prices for electronics revealed prices about 40% over Amazon.
Arriving at Doha - Hamad International Airport, we parked on the Tarmac and busses were used to transport us to the terminal. Business passengers were unloaded with air stairs first, a dedicated bus was used for the J pax and we departed (and arrived at the terminal) prior to Economy passengers - a nice way to handle bus shuttles.
We had to process security before moving into the airside departures area (with lounges, airport hotel, etc.) on arrival from LAX; you need your ongoing boarding pass or e-ticket to do so. There are transit desks where you can get boarding passes. But many arriving passengers are not required to do this and arrive airside if they are arriving from "secure airports" - there is no published list of these, and occasionally a listed airport will still require screening.
(To go landside you need to go to a transit desk presumably, but residents of Gulf states and 23 countries can get visas on arrival. Alcohol importation is prohibited, and will be confiscated at Customs. Those smuggling alcohol into Qatar can get up to 40 lashes according to Katara law.)
Departing DOH for the USA there was security screening at the gate, and it took some time as most were unprepared and large electronics and liquids / gels had to be out and placed on trays, and a number of passengers were required to remove shoes. Even all plastic or fabric belts had to come off.
Note: the seat shown here is used in the 777-200LR and 777-300ER; mattress pads CN be seen sticking out slightly from seat front stowage bins. (c/o JohnnyJet.com)
Last edited by JDiver; Aug 21, 2016 at 1:04 pm Reason: Add a bit
Aug 21, 2016, 1:00 pm
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Another illustration, showing the seat in bed position, without mattress cover, duvet or pillow. Foot rest is slightly lower, aircraft normally flies two degrees upward pitch. (C/o navjot-singh.com)
Aug 28, 2016, 9:43 pm
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What is everyone's thoughts on the missing window in row 4 in J? Ive got a 16h+ LAX flight coming up and 1,2,3 are already taken - is it better to take the rear cabin or is this generally a bit close to potential Y bassinet screaming children! Appreciate your thoughts and advice! Thanks!
Sep 30, 2016, 4:06 pm
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LAX-DOH, B777, seat suggestions sought for business class
I couldn't find an existing thread. Please point me to it if one exists.
We will be flying LAX-DOH in business class in 2017. It is 2 x 2 x 2 seating. What seats do you recommend? Which of the two business class cabins? I'm thinking the center pair of seats so that we both have direct aisle access. Also, I see that the first row of seats is blocked in each cabin. Are these seats kept for elites? Are they released closer to time of travel?
Is there any personal storage around these seats?
We will be flying LAX-DOH in business class in 2017. It is 2 x 2 x 2 seating. What seats do you recommend? Which of the two business class cabins? I'm thinking the center pair of seats so that we both have direct aisle access. Also, I see that the first row of seats is blocked in each cabin. Are these seats kept for elites? Are they released closer to time of travel?
Is there any personal storage around these seats?
Sep 30, 2016, 4:35 pm
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SanDiego1K since your flight appears to be a B777-200LR I think that the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...seating-q.html thread will be appropriate. This can also be accessed via the dashboard.
The first row of each cabin is blocked because it is where the bassinets are located. These seats will not be released until some time between just prior to OLCI opening and the start of airport check-in.
The first row of each cabin is blocked because it is where the bassinets are located. These seats will not be released until some time between just prior to OLCI opening and the start of airport check-in.
Oct 1, 2016, 8:57 am
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Jan 26, 2017, 5:43 am
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Seat Advice
Will be flying IAH-DOH in July with my wife in J. On outbound, front cabin almost full smaller cabin, rows 5-6-7, looks completely empty. Right now have 2EF reserved. Wondering about row 6. Heard mixed reviews about that cabin during boarding and with proximity to galley. Anyone have first-hand experience in it? Wondering if we should switch...looks like we'll have it to ourselves, but not sure if it will end up filling up or not.
Jan 26, 2017, 12:59 pm
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Will be flying IAH-DOH in July with my wife in J. On outbound, front cabin almost full smaller cabin, rows 5-6-7, looks completely empty. Right now have 2EF reserved. Wondering about row 6. Heard mixed reviews about that cabin during boarding and with proximity to galley. Anyone have first-hand experience in it? Wondering if we should switch...looks like we'll have it to ourselves, but not sure if it will end up filling up or not.
If you don't mind (or are delected by) these envious Y passengers boarding the plane and looking at your J seat and your glass of champagne, and don't fear any crying baby in Y front row, just behind row 7 (although you might encounter some crying babies in J too), I would follow that strategy : as you already have a desirable pair a seats and just want to try to enhance your experience with a less busy cabin, wait until 72 hours prior to the flight, when QR IT automatically shows on ExpertFlyer a blocked seat (but still selectable at online check in) for any passenger without a seat already selected. Then you will have a good idea of the load and can think about moving to the second J cabin at online check in (as far as I know, changing your seat selection is not possible in MMB between 72 hours and 48 hours prior to the flight, that's why you have to wait until online check in), but that J cabin can still fill up in the last minute, with delayed/rerouted J passengers, with airport upgrades requested by Y passengers using their Qmiles or Qcredits, or with operational upgrades due to various reasons (oversold Y cabin, delayed/rerouted Y passengers, QR employees on standby granted to fly, ...)
And also, bear in mind that QR can decide at any time that the second J cabin would be used as a Y cabin (J seat, but Y service and Y passengers) if they have more Y passengers to fly than Y seats and if all J passengers can fill in the front J cabin : is that case, all J passengers who selected a seat in the second J cabin would get a random seat in the front J cabin.
So the less risky strategy is probably to keep your already desirable pair of seats ;-)
Jan 28, 2017, 3:11 pm
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Thanks for the advice! I'll keep our seats and see what happens. Looking forward to flying QR. managed to score two J tickets IAH - sIn for 1800 each in last sale. Get to experience both the 772 and 350.