AONE4 from Khartoum
Jul 12, 2011, 9:23 pm
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No Sudan currency available on E/F for KRT, so USD used:Results from ExpertFlyer.com
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Departing KRT on 01/03/12 for KRT
Flying RJ
Purchasing at KRT
Viewing in currency USD
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
AONE3 RJ A Round-Trip 6692.00 (USD) F 10 / 12M
AONE4 RJ A Round-Trip 7669.00 (USD) F 10 / 12M
AONE5 RJ A Round-Trip 8985.00 (USD) F 10 / 12M
AONE6 RJ A Round-Trip 9962.00 (USD) F 10 / 12M
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Departing AMM on 01/03/12 for AMM
Flying RJ on booking class A
Purchasing at AMM
Viewing in currency JOD
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
AONE3 RJ A Round-Trip 6200.000 (JOD) F 10 / 12M
AONE4 RJ A Round-Trip 7100.000 (JOD) F 10 / 12M
AONE5 RJ A Round-Trip 8300.000 (JOD) F 10 / 12M
AONE6 RJ A Round-Trip 9200.000 (JOD) F 10 / 12M
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Departing TLV on 01/03/12 for TLV
Flying RJ on booking class A
Purchasing at TLV
Viewing in currency ILS
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
AONE3 RJ A Round-Trip 30151 (ILS) F 10 / 12M
AONE4 RJ A Round-Trip 34262 (ILS) F 10 / 12M
AONE5 RJ A Round-Trip 40087 (ILS) F 10 / 12M
AONE6 RJ A Round-Trip 44541 (ILS) F 10 / 12M
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Departing RUH on 01/03/12 for RUH
Flying RJ on booking class A
Purchasing at RUH
Viewing in currency SAR
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
AONE3 RJ A Round-Trip 29800 (SAR) F 10 / 12M
AONE4 RJ A Round-Trip 34100 (SAR) F 10 / 12M
AONE5 RJ A Round-Trip 38400 (SAR) F 10 / 12M
AONE6 RJ A Round-Trip 42800 (SAR) F 10 / 12M
Jul 13, 2011, 5:59 am
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KRT Khartoum Civil SD [HSSS] RTW 29 Sep 2011 | 14 Oct 2011 | Business Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AA KRT KRT 12700 SDG DONE3 AA KRT KRT 14700 SDG DGLOB34 AA KRT KRT 14700 SDG DONE4 AA KRT KRT 17300 SDG DONE5 AA KRT KRT 19600 SDG DONE6
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KRT Khartoum Civil SD [HSSS] RTW 29 Sep 2011 | 14 Oct 2011 | First Carrier From To Fare Cur Fare Basis/TD --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AA KRT KRT 17800 SDG AONE3 AA KRT KRT 20400 SDG AGLOB34 AA KRT KRT 20400 SDG AONE4 AA KRT KRT 23900 SDG AONE5 AA KRT KRT 26500 SDG AONE6
Jul 14, 2011, 7:38 am
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somebol, that is explained in prior posts - expertflyer uses a bank rate (if available) as it seems to be for SGD-USD, but otherwise defaults to the IATA tables (which use a dated rate) for SGD-AUD.
If you ticket fro KRT you will either pay in USD on the oneworld engine (which appears to use a bank rate) or in SGD in which case your credit card company will charge you bank rates (equivalent to xe)
If you ticket fro KRT you will either pay in USD on the oneworld engine (which appears to use a bank rate) or in SGD in which case your credit card company will charge you bank rates (equivalent to xe)
Jul 14, 2011, 4:16 pm
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I read thru some of the earlier posts and could not find an answer: did anybody actually start a ticket in KRT?
I contacted the Sudanese embassy in Berlin and getting a visa seems to be no problem at all. Hotel Res + money + passport + wait for a week or so.
I contacted the Sudanese embassy in Berlin and getting a visa seems to be no problem at all. Hotel Res + money + passport + wait for a week or so.
Jul 16, 2011, 11:29 pm
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It is not as easy and straight forward as they say it is. Waiting times can easily exceed one month.
Jul 21, 2011, 1:40 pm
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Jul 21, 2011, 7:22 pm
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Some embassies might be faster, there might be expediting possibilities and I am not an expert on Sudanese visas. All I am saying is that it can take longer than "a week or so" even if the website might make it look like an easy process.
Jul 25, 2011, 5:16 pm
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Israel, USD10,000 (denominated in USD)
Jordan, USD 10,022 (denominated in JOD, conversion from EF)
Egypt, USD 10,376 (denominated in EGP, conversion from EF)
Qatar, USD 10,299 (from EF)
Saudi Arabia, USD 9091 (from EF)
...Maybe one or two more. Except for Jordan, you can actually ride in first class on the first segment from all those cities, rather than having a short J flight to AMM as your initial segment. More bang for the AONEX buck/dinar/pound.
Jordan, USD 10,022 (denominated in JOD, conversion from EF)
Egypt, USD 10,376 (denominated in EGP, conversion from EF)
Qatar, USD 10,299 (from EF)
Saudi Arabia, USD 9091 (from EF)
...Maybe one or two more. Except for Jordan, you can actually ride in first class on the first segment from all those cities, rather than having a short J flight to AMM as your initial segment. More bang for the AONEX buck/dinar/pound.
t I better off having RJ issue the ticket and therefore wouldn't I want RJ to be the airline I fly on the first segment?
Please help steer me in the correct direction I am thinking of buying my first RTW ticket for travel in 2012.
Jul 25, 2011, 7:15 pm
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Very very confused. I have read on this forum about BA adding on YQ, that some airlines don't charge. Gardyloo, am I missing something, unless I fly IB for the first segment (assuming IB doesn't charge YQ like BA) aren'
t I better off having RJ issue the ticket and therefore wouldn't I want RJ to be the airline I fly on the first segment?
Please help steer me in the correct direction I am thinking of buying my first RTW ticket for travel in 2012.
t I better off having RJ issue the ticket and therefore wouldn't I want RJ to be the airline I fly on the first segment?
Please help steer me in the correct direction I am thinking of buying my first RTW ticket for travel in 2012.
However, this is not a rule. In other words, you can get the ticket issued by any airline on the itinerary, theoretically even by an airline which you don't even fly. So if you get this ticket issued by AA your fees will be a lot lower than when BA is issuing it. In reality, for an airline to be willing to issue the ticket they often ask for you to have at least one long flight with them. The online tool will always take the first airline unless the first airline is RJ, then AA will issue the ticket. If you want somebody else to issue the ticket then you need a travel agent /airline to do this for you.
Jul 25, 2011, 8:18 pm
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Very very confused. I have read on this forum about BA adding on YQ, that some airlines don't charge. Gardyloo, am I missing something, unless I fly IB for the first segment (assuming IB doesn't charge YQ like BA) aren'
t I better off having RJ issue the ticket and therefore wouldn't I want RJ to be the airline I fly on the first segment?
Please help steer me in the correct direction I am thinking of buying my first RTW ticket for travel in 2012.
t I better off having RJ issue the ticket and therefore wouldn't I want RJ to be the airline I fly on the first segment?
Please help steer me in the correct direction I am thinking of buying my first RTW ticket for travel in 2012.
It might very well be that having RJ be the first carrier, hence having the ticket issued by AA on RJ's behalf, might save some money overall in fuel surcharges. (But I'd caution not to overestimate the scale of savings. Do some dummy booking using the OWE tool - some with BA as the first/issuing carrier, and others with RJ/AA, and you might be surprised at how small the difference will be. Much depends on the route and carrier choice later.)
However my point was in the context of posters wanting the most first class bang for the buck. In the case of RJ as the first carrier, since there is no first class service into or out of AMM on Oneworld metal, choosing RJ means basically that at least the first, and potentially the first two, segments of 16 can't be in FC. In the case of KRT origins, it would be at least the first two, KRT-AMM and AMM-XXX, that would be in business class by definition.
In some peoples' minds, foregoing 2 FC segments out of 16 (at least) might be a sufficient disincentive that paying the extra YQ and/or country-of-issuance costs might be worth it, in order to originate in some country and/or some carrier that offers FC as soon as possible (which in the case of the Middle East means BA, full stop.)
Jul 29, 2011, 6:14 am
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My experience of Sudan
In case this is of any help in deciding whether to originate from KRT:
1) I flew to the Sudan for wedding three or four years ago. I flew with British Midland via Beirut. This is a dreadful flight in economy, do not do it!
2) I got my visa in London. The bride was the daughter of a Sudanese official so an arangement had been made to expedite the applications of our group but even that took a couple of weeks and the process at the embassy was perhaps best described as whimsical and arbitrary. The embassy kept my passport during this period.
3) Credit cards (other than Diners, the French foreign policy exception!) do not work in the Sudan because of US sanctions (these may have been lifted) and Sudanese pounds do not appear to be available outside the Sudan. As a consequence, all tourists carry stacks of hard currency. Whether the sanctions also affect interbank settlement of Sudan pound transactions, I can't say, but I do wonder how the price of the RTW ticket is actually arrived at....
4) Arriving at KRT airport was, er, opaque. However, I am used to first world airports and their transparency of process. It may be run of the mill for African airports, or even quite good, I cannot tell you. It may also make a lot more sense if you speak Arabic! Again, arrangement had been made for us by the family and we wranglers meet us airside to escort us through the process but it still took a very long time to go through immigration etc.
5) Departing KRT airport was frankly chaotic. The flight list was incorrectly compiled and a couple of our group were in danger of being forbidden boarding but it all got sorted out in the end. Again, the family and the arabic-speaker in our group sorted it all out.
6) We stayed in the KRT "Hilton" - in quotes because, again because of sanctions, the official franchise ran out years ago. I believe it has been rebranded a Sofitel since we stayed. It is a faded seventies Modernist concrete block, with vintage interiors and a nice swimming pool. Wallpaper would love it and it would make a good set for a pre-oil crisis Graham Greene film. It was not cheap!
7) If you get a visa and actually enter the Sudan, you will find a lovely country. The Sudanese are extremely dignified and will leave you to your own devices (not like Egypt!). There is plenty of interest to see - the whirling dervishes, the market at Omdurman, the pyramids at Merope etc. - and the city itself is quite grand, set on the banks of the confluence of the Niles, with islands and boats and boathouses dotted on the shores. We went in December and it was still very hot!
8) I would love to go back. I would also love to use it as an origin for OWE fares but, having flown in and out once, I would rather let somebody else prove to me that it can be done....
Good luck!
1) I flew to the Sudan for wedding three or four years ago. I flew with British Midland via Beirut. This is a dreadful flight in economy, do not do it!
2) I got my visa in London. The bride was the daughter of a Sudanese official so an arangement had been made to expedite the applications of our group but even that took a couple of weeks and the process at the embassy was perhaps best described as whimsical and arbitrary. The embassy kept my passport during this period.
3) Credit cards (other than Diners, the French foreign policy exception!) do not work in the Sudan because of US sanctions (these may have been lifted) and Sudanese pounds do not appear to be available outside the Sudan. As a consequence, all tourists carry stacks of hard currency. Whether the sanctions also affect interbank settlement of Sudan pound transactions, I can't say, but I do wonder how the price of the RTW ticket is actually arrived at....
4) Arriving at KRT airport was, er, opaque. However, I am used to first world airports and their transparency of process. It may be run of the mill for African airports, or even quite good, I cannot tell you. It may also make a lot more sense if you speak Arabic! Again, arrangement had been made for us by the family and we wranglers meet us airside to escort us through the process but it still took a very long time to go through immigration etc.
5) Departing KRT airport was frankly chaotic. The flight list was incorrectly compiled and a couple of our group were in danger of being forbidden boarding but it all got sorted out in the end. Again, the family and the arabic-speaker in our group sorted it all out.
6) We stayed in the KRT "Hilton" - in quotes because, again because of sanctions, the official franchise ran out years ago. I believe it has been rebranded a Sofitel since we stayed. It is a faded seventies Modernist concrete block, with vintage interiors and a nice swimming pool. Wallpaper would love it and it would make a good set for a pre-oil crisis Graham Greene film. It was not cheap!
7) If you get a visa and actually enter the Sudan, you will find a lovely country. The Sudanese are extremely dignified and will leave you to your own devices (not like Egypt!). There is plenty of interest to see - the whirling dervishes, the market at Omdurman, the pyramids at Merope etc. - and the city itself is quite grand, set on the banks of the confluence of the Niles, with islands and boats and boathouses dotted on the shores. We went in December and it was still very hot!
8) I would love to go back. I would also love to use it as an origin for OWE fares but, having flown in and out once, I would rather let somebody else prove to me that it can be done....
Good luck!