AONE4 from Khartoum
Jun 13, 2011, 9:23 pm
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AONE4 from Khartoum
HI there
Hoping someone might be able to shed some light ....
I'm thinking of starting an AONE4 RTW from Khartoum but don't want the hassle of getting a Tourist Visa...
Ideally i'd like to fly in on RJ from Amman and leave on the same plane back to Amman....
There is only a 2 hour or so turnaround for the plane which i'm sure is not enough time if I had to clear Customs and Immigration and then check back in and go back through!
Obviously I would be on 2 different tickets - ie one to get me to Khartoum from Amman and then my RTW starting in Khartoum to depart and am not sure that RJ would be able to check me in in Amman for the flight coming back because of that.
Any advice hugely appreciated.
It seems that you are allowed 6 hours at KRT to transit without a visa so presumably if it came to it I'd book myself in on a different flight that would give me time to connect to my first RTW flight on RJ?
Many thanks
Hoping someone might be able to shed some light ....
I'm thinking of starting an AONE4 RTW from Khartoum but don't want the hassle of getting a Tourist Visa...
Ideally i'd like to fly in on RJ from Amman and leave on the same plane back to Amman....
There is only a 2 hour or so turnaround for the plane which i'm sure is not enough time if I had to clear Customs and Immigration and then check back in and go back through!
Obviously I would be on 2 different tickets - ie one to get me to Khartoum from Amman and then my RTW starting in Khartoum to depart and am not sure that RJ would be able to check me in in Amman for the flight coming back because of that.
Any advice hugely appreciated.
It seems that you are allowed 6 hours at KRT to transit without a visa so presumably if it came to it I'd book myself in on a different flight that would give me time to connect to my first RTW flight on RJ?
Many thanks
Jun 13, 2011, 10:44 pm
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Interesting - was thinking about fares from AMM, but this has some attractions, albeit burns two euro segments.
a 2006 FT post talked about a 6-hr visa but I can't find any recent web references and the page at the Sudanese US embassy no longer exits
unsure about KRT (would suggest emailing the airport or Sudan UK or US embassy), but have done a similar 2-hr turnaround in KHI - airport layout there was a single level airport - had CX staff meet me at gate escort me to lounge, take passport to front desk, and come back with my ticket
I also note this review: http://www.sleepinginairports.net/af...um-airport.htm
a 2006 FT post talked about a 6-hr visa but I can't find any recent web references and the page at the Sudanese US embassy no longer exits
unsure about KRT (would suggest emailing the airport or Sudan UK or US embassy), but have done a similar 2-hr turnaround in KHI - airport layout there was a single level airport - had CX staff meet me at gate escort me to lounge, take passport to front desk, and come back with my ticket
I also note this review: http://www.sleepinginairports.net/af...um-airport.htm
Last edited by moa999; Jun 13, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Jun 13, 2011, 11:15 pm
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From KVS
[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.0/Diamond - TIMATIC: Visa/Entry Requirements]
[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.0/Diamond - TIMATIC: Visa/Entry Requirements]
Code:
14JUN11 / 0612 UTC National New Zealand (NZ) /Embarkation Jordan (JO) Transit Sudan (SD) /Destination Jordan (JO) ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW [Visa Information - Transit] Sudan (SD) [Information For Normal Passports] TWOV (Transit Without Visa): Visa required, except for Those continuing their journey by the same or first connecting aircraft within 6 hours, provided holding confirmed onward tickets and documents required for their onward journey. The onward carrier must report the onward booking to the Immigration Authorities. Failure to do so will result in the deportation of the passenger by the delivering flight. No hotel facilities are available at the airport. Leaving the airport is allowed, but passport will be retained by Immigration Authorities. Additional Information: - Holders of a passport with a visa for Israel [[TIDFT/SD/PA/AI/ID31074]] Warning: - Non-compliance with the visa requirements will result in the transportation of the passenger at the carrier's expense to the country of origin or to a point beyond Sudan. Sudan (SD) Vaccination against Yellow Fever is required if arriving within 6 days after leaving or transiting countries with infected or endemic areas. Cholera vaccination is required if arriving within 6 days after leaving or transiting countries with infected areas. Exempt from Yellow Fever vaccination: - Transit passengers not leaving the airport. - Children under 1 year of age. [Visa Information - Destination] Jordan (JO) [Information For Normal Passports] Passport required. - Passport and/or passport replacing documents must be valid for at least 3 months beyond the date of arrival. Visa Issuance: Visa required, except for Nationals of New Zealand can obtain a single entry (or transit) visa on arrival. Fee: JOD 20.- (payable in JOD only). - Nationals of New Zealand can obtain a visa free of charge, provided [[TIDFT/JO/VI/IS/ID42022]] - All passengers can obtain a visa on arrival, provided attending a scientific or economical conference. - Accompanying staff (housemaids), can obtain a visa on arrival, provided traveling with their employer. Warning: - Visitors not holding return/onward tickets could be refused entry. - Exempt are government workers continuing to Iraq. Jordan (JO) No vaccinations are required to enter Jordan from any country. Warning: - All nationals intending to stay in Jordan longer than 14 days will have to undergo an AIDS test, which must be carried out at the Directorate of Immigrant Health and Chest Related Diseases. - not required for nationals of Jordan and holders of diplomatic and service passports. CHECK [[TINEWS/N1]] - Former NETHERLANDS ANTILLES
Jun 13, 2011, 11:43 pm
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From KVS
[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.0/Diamond - TIMATIC: Visa/Entry Requirements]
[KVS Availability Tool 6.2.0/Diamond - TIMATIC: Visa/Entry Requirements]
Code:
14JUN11 / 0612 UTC National New Zealand (NZ) /Embarkation Jordan (JO) Transit Sudan (SD) /Destination Jordan (JO) ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW [Visa Information - Transit] Sudan (SD) [Information For Normal Passports] TWOV (Transit Without Visa): Visa required, except for Those continuing their journey by the same or first connecting aircraft within 6 hours, provided holding confirmed onward tickets and documents required for their onward journey. The onward carrier must report the onward booking to the Immigration Authorities. Failure to do so will result in the deportation of the passenger by the delivering flight. No hotel facilities are available at the airport. Leaving the airport is allowed, but passport will be retained by Immigration Authorities. Additional Information: - Holders of a passport with a visa for Israel [[TIDFT/SD/PA/AI/ID31074]] Warning: - Non-compliance with the visa requirements will result in the transportation of the passenger at the carrier's expense to the country of origin or to a point beyond Sudan. Sudan (SD) Vaccination against Yellow Fever is required if arriving within 6 days after leaving or transiting countries with infected or endemic areas. Cholera vaccination is required if arriving within 6 days after leaving or transiting countries with infected areas. Exempt from Yellow Fever vaccination: - Transit passengers not leaving the airport. - Children under 1 year of age. [Visa Information - Destination] Jordan (JO) [Information For Normal Passports] Passport required. - Passport and/or passport replacing documents must be valid for at least 3 months beyond the date of arrival. Visa Issuance: Visa required, except for Nationals of New Zealand can obtain a single entry (or transit) visa on arrival. Fee: JOD 20.- (payable in JOD only). - Nationals of New Zealand can obtain a visa free of charge, provided [[TIDFT/JO/VI/IS/ID42022]] - All passengers can obtain a visa on arrival, provided attending a scientific or economical conference. - Accompanying staff (housemaids), can obtain a visa on arrival, provided traveling with their employer. Warning: - Visitors not holding return/onward tickets could be refused entry. - Exempt are government workers continuing to Iraq. Jordan (JO) No vaccinations are required to enter Jordan from any country. Warning: - All nationals intending to stay in Jordan longer than 14 days will have to undergo an AIDS test, which must be carried out at the Directorate of Immigrant Health and Chest Related Diseases. - not required for nationals of Jordan and holders of diplomatic and service passports. CHECK [[TINEWS/N1]] - Former NETHERLANDS ANTILLES
Thanks for this - I had checked it out via timatic and was aware of the 6 hour option but my concern is more about the turn-around time in KRT as my inward and outward flights will be on 2 separate tickets and whether there is any way to be checked into the return flight from KRT and issued a boarding pass so that I don't have to clear Customs and Immigration in KRT and check in there - there would not be enough time apart from anything else!
I have emailed and called RJ and so far nobody seems to know!!
Jun 13, 2011, 11:45 pm
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Interesting - was thinking about fares from AMM, but this has some attractions, albeit burns two euro segments.
a 2006 FT post talked about a 6-hr visa but I can't find any recent web references and the page at the Sudanese US embassy no longer exits
unsure about KRT (would suggest emailing the airport or Sudan UK or US embassy), but have done a similar 2-hr turnaround in KHI - airport layout there was a single level airport - had CX staff meet me at gate escort me to lounge, take passport to front desk, and come back with my ticket
I also note this review: http://www.sleepinginairports.net/af...um-airport.htm
a 2006 FT post talked about a 6-hr visa but I can't find any recent web references and the page at the Sudanese US embassy no longer exits
unsure about KRT (would suggest emailing the airport or Sudan UK or US embassy), but have done a similar 2-hr turnaround in KHI - airport layout there was a single level airport - had CX staff meet me at gate escort me to lounge, take passport to front desk, and come back with my ticket
I also note this review: http://www.sleepinginairports.net/af...um-airport.htm
I've done a 2 hour turnaround at Seoul and very similar procedure but that is at one of the world's best airports and I"ve yet to found out if that is possible at KRT
I have emailed them and the Sudan Embassy in the UK and also RJ but so far no answers!
But i'll report back if I find out anything useful!
Jun 14, 2011, 1:24 am
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But i'll report back if I find out anything useful!
The RJ510/511 turnaround is within the MCT published for RJ on expertflyer.
KRT. In RJ. Out RJ.
STANDARD.D/D...D/I...I/D...I/I.
ONLINE .30 1.00 1.00 1.00
OFFLINE .30 1.00 1.00 1.00
** OR * ARE ALL
Jun 14, 2011, 4:19 am
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I might be there in a few weeks time so I can report back how bad it really is and whether an airside transfer is possible. The AONEx price looks really nice btw.
Jun 14, 2011, 1:34 pm
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Jun 14, 2011, 4:57 pm
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Legally a turnaround is NOT considered TWOV. See Timatic:
My emphasis
If I were you I would buy a refundable ticket to a third country and cancel upon arrival in Sudan.
R32) TWOV
....
Transit Without Visa (TWOV): Passing through an international
transit area of the airport in order to board a connecting (or
to proceed by the same) flight, without entering the country
(i.e. clearing immigration).
Unless stated otherwise, passengers wishing to TWOV must:
- be en-route to a third country (e.g. itinerary TYO-LON-TYO
is not considered TWOV);
- prove that they will continue their journey within the
prescribed period (e.g. hold onward tickets or proof of
sufficient funds to buy an onward ticket);
- have documents required for entry into the country of
destination and for transit through countries en-route;
- remain in the transit area (airside).TWOV is not intended
for those holding ISA (If Seat Available) tickets, e.g.
airline staff or other passengers travelling on industry
discount.
....
Transit Without Visa (TWOV): Passing through an international
transit area of the airport in order to board a connecting (or
to proceed by the same) flight, without entering the country
(i.e. clearing immigration).
Unless stated otherwise, passengers wishing to TWOV must:
- be en-route to a third country (e.g. itinerary TYO-LON-TYO
is not considered TWOV);
- prove that they will continue their journey within the
prescribed period (e.g. hold onward tickets or proof of
sufficient funds to buy an onward ticket);
- have documents required for entry into the country of
destination and for transit through countries en-route;
- remain in the transit area (airside).TWOV is not intended
for those holding ISA (If Seat Available) tickets, e.g.
airline staff or other passengers travelling on industry
discount.
If I were you I would buy a refundable ticket to a third country and cancel upon arrival in Sudan.
Jun 14, 2011, 9:12 pm
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According to KVS
AONE3 SDG17800
AONE4 SDG20400
AONE5 SDG23900
AONE6 SDG26500
If you use the on-line booking tool, then AA issues the ticket and the fare will be converted into USD
According to xe.com today's exchange rate is USD1 = SDG2.67
AONE3 SDG17800
AONE4 SDG20400
AONE5 SDG23900
AONE6 SDG26500
If you use the on-line booking tool, then AA issues the ticket and the fare will be converted into USD
According to xe.com today's exchange rate is USD1 = SDG2.67
Jun 14, 2011, 11:31 pm
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Burn 4 segments not 2
Based upon the European rules, you have to terminate at the same location as you originate so you will need to end in KRT which means assuming you are headed to/from London to on a F flight, then you will need 4 segements getting/to from KRT which is a big negative on the ticket.
Jun 15, 2011, 12:50 am
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AA EXP DFW-LON: agreed that is the negative and you force yourself into missing F segments, although frankly with so few decent F segments left it is difficult to optimise anyway.
Two options.
BA F from Mid East-LHR but miss TATL in F
KRT-AMM-(TLV/DXB/AUH)-LHR-xxxxxxxx-(JFK/ORD/YUL)-AMM-KRT or v.v
No Euro First but get TATL in F
KRT-AMM-LHR-xxxxxx-USA-LHR-AMM-KRT
Two options.
BA F from Mid East-LHR but miss TATL in F
KRT-AMM-(TLV/DXB/AUH)-LHR-xxxxxxxx-(JFK/ORD/YUL)-AMM-KRT or v.v
No Euro First but get TATL in F
KRT-AMM-LHR-xxxxxx-USA-LHR-AMM-KRT
Last edited by moa999; Jun 15, 2011 at 3:18 am Reason: per pandaperth's correct that you can't buy segments in continent of origin
Jun 15, 2011, 1:50 am
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Two additional flight segments within each continent, except the continent of origin, may be purchased.
Jun 15, 2011, 4:33 am
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AA EXP DFW-LON: agreed that is the negative and you force yourself into missing F segments, although frankly with so few decent F segments left it is difficult to optimise anyway.
Two options.
BA F from Mid East-LHR but miss TATL in F
KRT-AMM-(TLV/DXB/AUH)-LHR-xxxxxxxx-(JFK/ORD/YUL)-AMM-KRT or v.v
No Euro First but get TATL in F
KRT-AMM-LHR-xxxxxx-USA-LHR-AMM-KRT
Two options.
BA F from Mid East-LHR but miss TATL in F
KRT-AMM-(TLV/DXB/AUH)-LHR-xxxxxxxx-(JFK/ORD/YUL)-AMM-KRT or v.v
No Euro First but get TATL in F
KRT-AMM-LHR-xxxxxx-USA-LHR-AMM-KRT
I don't believe any OW carrier publishes a *CIRAT* ex-KRT.
EDIT: In fact, they do not. Sudan is not considered part of the Middle East for the purposes of any of the circle fares. In fact, neither are Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Morocco or Tunisia, all of which are in the Middle East for the purposes of the OWE.
Last edited by BrewerSEA; Jun 15, 2011 at 4:45 am
Jun 15, 2011, 4:34 am
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KVS gives an exchange rate of USD1 - SDG 3.1 so the USD price is less than USD 6000 for a AONE3. Not sure which rate is the right one however.