Just got the following...so is there even a lounge in T4 for people to use before/after their flight? No mention of an airside shuttle so for connections will be a PAIN!

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Perhaps CRC members can use the Oasis Lounge? It's a NWA affiliated lounge (not a real WC but WC members have access). Under these gudielines will CRC members be allowed in? Most of the lounges at T4 are outside of security which is a pain.

As for check-in, I wonder where they will go. T4 Check-in is almost fully utilized in the evenings, unless they will use the NWA/KL check-in (they have about 10 desks IIRC - will this be enough for NW/KL plus DL to LAX?

I've heard the lounge is nice...but it IS outside of security....

Regarding check-in...maybe that is why they were emphasizing using the kiosks? How many JFK-LAX flights are there? Maybe it isn't too bad just because it isn't that many flights... it WOULD be nice to have a simple shuttle airside connectin T4 to T3...it can't be more than a few hundred yards!

This is terrible for me, as my SOP is to catch the 5:30 USH connection to the 6:20ish DL137 LAX flight. This will really kill my Friday afternoons. I hope they can figure out a way to get us over to T4 without going out of security...

I didn't know DL flew Ushuaia-JFK. That's quite a mileage run for you!

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Haha...US Helicopter, that's from TSS...

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Only 12 miles, but it's still a pretty easy extra 750MQM.

USH = US Helicopter

Wow. DL needs to make a bridge within security connecting T2/T3 and T4. DL should be giving people incentives to have to re-go thru security.

Airside bus/shuttle.

yup- this is a bummer. i take this route about every 2-3 weeks and i was getting to like the ex-biz elite lounge w/ good food spread in terminal three.

not to mention, i have never had to wait (well, outside of thanksgiving) too long in security lines in terminal 2. i have no idea how bad 4 will be. hopefully not worse, but the unknown...

prob a stupid question (bear with me pls) but if you are an amex plat holder and flying delta, you can enter a NW club, correct?

Actually... Bridge = terrible idea. An airside bus transit isn't that bad... if it runs every 5/10 minutes.

+1

But if they are planning on having one, wouldn't they have mentioned it in the email?

It has been talked about before. The e-mail refers to those starting travel in JFK, no mention of connecting. Hopefully DL will have the airside connection up and running when this starts up.

AMEX plats have been able to enter DL/NW clubs if flying one of the two carriers, but I'm curious as to how it will apply at T4 since it's not technically a NW club, but a contract lounge that NW WC members get access to. I don't even know if AMEX plat holders flying NW can access the JFK T4 lounge as it is.

That said, a beautiful lounge. EI (my entry), LA and a few others use it - In the evenings there's a buffet set up with finger sandwiches and a hot entree of some sort.

This is why I love FT... I happen to be flying PHL-JFK-LAX on the 23rd, and logged in today to hear what I assumed was bad news. Nothing ever works right on day one.

I just spoke to a nice lady at SMS, who got somebody at JFK on the phone, who confirmed that YES, there will/should be airside buses running starting on the 23rd.

Now, as someone who's never travelled through T4... is there any place inside security for a CRC member to spend his time?