Apr 6, 2014, 1:25 pm
Last edit by: KARFA
FT Flight Simulator Outing - 10 October 2014
British Airways Flight Training at Cranebank
We are looking to organise a session at the BAFT simulators at Cranebank. GodAtum has tried them and did a report here. We have been recommended to use the 747-400 simulators and they have the latest virtual systems on them apparently.
Cost
For 8 of us we would be looking at something along the lines of Option 5 as shown in the BAFT corporate pages, so we would have 2 simulators for 4 hours and we would average 1 hour simulator time each. The cost on the BAFT does not inlcude VAT, so normally Option 5 would be £4080 in total (£510 per person). However, we have been offered a total price of £3400 so a bit more manageable £425 per person. As the cost is fixed at £3400 and remains the same whether 8 turn up, or say 6 turn up if 2 drop out at the last minute, I think these have to be firm commitments.
I think we would pay when we book and all would pay their share directly to BAFT. It would be non-refundable so if you don't show you would unfortunately not get your money back, but this stops those that do show all of a sudden having to cover any no-show's share. If you do commit and pay now and find in a few months you can't make it one option may be to see if a friend, work colleague, or other FT'er can come and take your place and they can pay you directly for your share which you have already paid to BAFT.
I will ensure that we are absolutely not going to be in a situation on the day where I am asking those that have come along to dip in to their pockets to cover any additonal cost.
Depending on the numbers that do now commit we can adjust number of simulators/simulator time to ensure we still have around an hour each of simulator time and the cost is still around £425 each before we go ahead and book. If only 4 go ahead and want to book then we will just do one simualtor but still have an average of an hour each and for £425 each.
Dates
The event will be on:
- Friday 10 October 1900-2300
This is for 4 people on 1 747-400 simulator: KARFA, 12939, flatlander, and Toonfan.
Standby - papabear
Location
The BAFT site and simulators are located just outside the Eastern perimeter of Heathrow. More details here.
FT Flight Simulator Outing to BAFT Cranebank - 10 October 2014 [UK]
Apr 3, 2014, 9:45 am
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Mmm, very tempting KARFA but I can't say either way yet whether I'd be able to attend or not. Next year, definitely. I'll let you know soon.
The 747 sounds fun and using a Yoke is more preferable for me as I can't use a Joystick well. As I get older I find it hard enough aiming for the loo with my joystick never mind landing an A320 in a simulator
The 747 sounds fun and using a Yoke is more preferable for me as I can't use a Joystick well. As I get older I find it hard enough aiming for the loo with my joystick never mind landing an A320 in a simulator
Apr 3, 2014, 12:46 pm
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Go on. I actually quite like the airbus side stick and find it a bit more intuative to the yoke, but I appreciate I may be in a minority.
Apr 4, 2014, 3:01 am
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Hopefully the others that expressed an interest will reply soon and confirm availability, if not I will send them a PM in the next week or two.
Apr 4, 2014, 3:38 am
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I thnk we could have 8 people for 1 simulator and that would halve the cost, but equally halve the time per person to 30 minutes. My feeling would be this is too brief although of everyone disagrees I am willing to change my mind.
If we end up with 5 or 6 though it may well make sense to go to 1 simulator to reduce the cost and have say 45/50 minutes each per simulator. For 1 simulator for 6 cost would be £367. If we had 7 then bit more marginal whether to keep with 2 simulators as the cost per person goes to £485 but we get 1hr 10min simualtor time each. Basically once we confirm numbers we can make a choice if we don't have 8.
Apr 4, 2014, 4:56 am
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Very interesting, never tried this, perhaps interested in the future.
Still waiting for my incredible secret Santa, declined Amazon voucher for a chance to fly on a Diamond DA-40-NG. 4 months later it seems like I should have chosen the voucher
Still waiting for my incredible secret Santa, declined Amazon voucher for a chance to fly on a Diamond DA-40-NG. 4 months later it seems like I should have chosen the voucher
Apr 4, 2014, 5:54 am
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I have just got an update from BAFT on the dates.
So can you let me know availability for the following please:
Sorry for the change, I will also amend my post yesterday. T8191, would you be able to do the October dates
- Friday 5th September - already have a confirmed event booked.
- Friday 12th September - provisional event booked.
- Friday 19th September - available at the moment.
- Friday 26th September - available but, the Ryder Cup starts on this day so not sure if any of you are keen golfists
- Friday 3rd October - available at the moment.
- Friday 10th October - available at the moment.
So can you let me know availability for the following please:
- Friday 19 September 1900-2300
- Friday 26 September 1900-2300
- Friday 3 October 1900-2300
- Friday 10 October 1900-2300
Sorry for the change, I will also amend my post yesterday. T8191, would you be able to do the October dates
Last edited by KARFA; Apr 4, 2014 at 5:59 am
Apr 4, 2014, 10:10 am
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I'm available on:
Fri 19th Sept
Fri 10th Oct
My only concern is the number of people who say they will come compared to the number of people who actually turn up. I have organised events like this before and there are always people who drop out at the very last moment.
I don't want to be left footing the bill for people who don't turn up and therefore I think payment needs to be made well in advance.
Fri 19th Sept
Fri 10th Oct
My only concern is the number of people who say they will come compared to the number of people who actually turn up. I have organised events like this before and there are always people who drop out at the very last moment.
I don't want to be left footing the bill for people who don't turn up and therefore I think payment needs to be made well in advance.
Apr 4, 2014, 10:30 am
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I'm available on:
Fri 19th Sept
Fri 10th Oct
Thanks 12939. My only concern is the number of people who say they will come compared to the number of people who actually turn up. I have organised events like this before and there are always people who drop out at the very last moment.
I don't want to be left footing the bill for people who don't turn up and therefore I think payment needs to be made well in advance.
Fri 19th Sept
Fri 10th Oct
Thanks 12939. My only concern is the number of people who say they will come compared to the number of people who actually turn up. I have organised events like this before and there are always people who drop out at the very last moment.
I don't want to be left footing the bill for people who don't turn up and therefore I think payment needs to be made well in advance.
If you do commit and pay now and find in a few months you can't make it one option may be to see if a friend, work colleague, or other FT'er can come and take your place and they can pay you directly for your share which you have already paid to BAFT.
However we specifically work it I will ensure that we are absolutely not going to be in a situation on the day where I am asking those that have come along to dip in to their pockets to cover any additonal cost.
Sorry this seems a bit harsh, but I don't think anyone wants to turn up finding instead of £3400 divided by 8 it is suddenly only divided by 6.
Depending on the numbers that do now commit we can adjust number of simulators/simulator time to ensure we still have around an hour each of simulator time and the cost is still around £425 each before we go ahead and book. If only 4 go ahead and want to book then we will just do one simualtor but still have an average of an hour each and for £425 each.
Apr 5, 2014, 6:37 am
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Apr 6, 2014, 1:38 pm
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We have a wiki now so all the information can be kept in one place. Let me know on your availaibility for the four proposed dates please.
EDIT - and a thread title change - that was quick, only send Prospero a PM asking less than 5 minutes ago
EDIT - and a thread title change - that was quick, only send Prospero a PM asking less than 5 minutes ago
Last edited by KARFA; Apr 6, 2014 at 1:43 pm