Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > Alaska Airlines | Mileage Plan
Reload this Page >

DL Encroaches Further on AS' Turf - Master Thread

Register
Community
Wiki Posts
Today's Posts
Search
Old Jul 30, 2014, 2:10 am
FlyerTalk Forums Expert How-Tos and Guides
Last edit by: eponymous_coward
To try to make sense of what's all happening between AS and DL, the idea arose during the recent Alaska do to create a compendium in the wiki of the various stages of the current spat. Please add your knowledge where you can!

Timeline of events:

**proposed format for new route announcements**
mm/dd/yy [date of announcement] Airline XXX-YYY [new vs changed] [frequency] dd/mm/yy [date of service/change] Airline Press Release link | FT thread/post link
  1. 2008: Delta and Northwest merge, Delta's staff takes over relationship with Alaska
  2. 06/05/09 Alaska ATL - SEA New 1x daily 23/10/09 AS Announcement | FT Thread
  3. 2011: Alaska allegedly (using data gleaned from codeshare sales) tries to lower the ratio of the fare it pays Delta on codeshare itineraries
  4. 08/10/12: The infamous "joint" Seattle press conference where Delta CEO Richard Anderson announces they will ramp up international service in Seattle (AS CEO Brad Tilden stays quiet in the background) -- DL Announcement | FT Thread
  5. 01/11/12 Alaska SLC - SEA New 2x daily 04/04/13 AS Announcement | FT Thread
  6. 25/02/13 Delta announces resumption of SEA-ANC, new SEA-LAS. Hard to find press release/news, but this site mentions it.
  7. 02/05/13 Alaska ATL - PDX New 1x daily 26/08/13 AS Announcement
  8. 01/10/13 Delta SEA - LAS Increase from 1x - 3x daily 06/01/14 -> 5x daily 01/04/14 DL Announcement | Post #1
  9. 01/10/13 Delta SEA - SFO New 6x daily 29/03/14 -> 7x daily 05/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #1
  10. 01/10/13 Delta SEA - LAX Increase from 5x - 7x daily 05/06/14 DL Announcement |Post #1
  11. 05/11/13 Delta SEA - SAN New 4x daily 02/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #77
  12. 05/11/13 Delta SEA - ANC Increase 1x to 2x daily summer seasonal 05/06/14 DL Announcement | Post #90
  13. 05/11/13 Delta SEA - PDX New 4x daily 02/09/14 DL Announcement | Post #77
  14. 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - PDX 09/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
  15. 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - SAN 10/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
  16. 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - LAX 11/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
  17. 06/12/13 Alaska SLC - SJC 12/06/14 AS Announcement | FT Thread
  18. 17/12/13 Delta SEA - ANC 29/05/14 (increased from 2x-3x daily) Thread [link needed] DL Announcement
  19. 17/12/13 Delta SEA - JNU 29/05/14 Thread [link needed] DL Announcement | Post #268
  20. 17/12/13 Delta SEA - SJC 29/05/14 Thread [link needed] DL Announcement
  21. 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - BOI 16/06/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
  22. 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - LAS 16/06/14 New 2x Daily AS Announcement
  23. 20/12/13 Alaska SLC - SFO 18/06/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
  24. 10/02/14 Delta PHX - SEA 20/12/14 New 5x Daily CRJ-900 DL Announcement
  25. 10/02/14 Delta PSP - SEA 20/12/14 New 1x Daily CRJ-900 Winter Season DL Announcement
  26. 10/02/14 Delta TUS - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday CRJ-900 Winter Season DL Announcement
  27. 10/02/14 Delta HNL - SEA 20/12/14 Increase 1x to 2x Daily 757-200/757-300 DL Announcement
  28. 11/02/14 Alaska DTW - SEA 04/09/14 New 1x Daily AS Announcement
  29. 11/02/14 Alaska MSY - SEA 12/06/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
  30. 11/02/14 Alaska SEA - TPA 20/06/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
  31. 26/02/14 Delta Delta changes SkyMiles to revenue based points/miles DL Announcement
  32. 28/03/14 Alaska BWI - SEA 02/09/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
  33. 28/03/14 Alaska ABQ - SEA 18/09/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
  34. 28/03/14 Alaska ATL - PDX 01/09/14 Discontinued 1x Daily 737-800 AS Announcement
  35. 17/03/14 Delta BOI - LAX 05/16/14 New 1x Daily E-175 DL Announcement
  36. 09/05/14 Alaska CUN - SEA 06/11/14 New 1x Daily 737-800 Seasonal AS Announcement
  37. 27/05/14 Delta GEG - SEA 03/11/14 New 4x Daily CRJ-700 DL Announcement
  38. 27/05/14 Delta SEA - YYC 03/11/14 New 2x Daily E-175 DL Announcement
  39. 27/05/14 Delta OGG - SEA 20/12/14 New 1x Daily 757-200 DL Announcement
  40. 27/05/14 Delta BZN - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday E-175 Winter Season (Flight will op 1x Daily from 20/12/14-04/01/15) DL Announcement
  41. 27/05/14 Delta SEA - SJD 20/12/14 New Saturday A319 Winter Season DL Announcement
  42. 27/05/14 Delta PVR - SEA 20/12/14 New Saturday A319 Winter Season DL Announcement
  43. 27/05/14 Alaska Announces 11% increase in SEA flying for Spring 2015 AS Announcement
  44. 27/05/14 Alaska BOI - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 8x to 9x Daily Q400 AS Announcement
  45. 27/05/14 Alaska BOS - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 2x to 3x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
  46. 27/05/14 Alaska ORD - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
  47. 27/05/14 Alaska DEN - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 4x to 5x Daily 737 AS Announcement
  48. 27/05/14 Alaska FAI - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737 AS Announcement
  49. 27/05/14 Alaska PSP - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 3x to 4x Daily 737 Seasonal AS Announcement
  50. 27/05/14 Alaska SEA - SMF 08/03/15 increase from 5x to 6x Daily 737 AS Announcement
  51. 27/05/14 Alaska LAX - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 12x to 13x Daily 737 AS Announcement
  52. 27/05/14 Alaska PDX - SEA 08/03/15 increase from 24x to 27x Daily Q400 AS Announcement
  53. 27/05/14 Alaska GEG - SEA 08/03/15 replace 2x Daily Q400 with 737 AS Announcement
  54. 27/05/14 Alaska SEA - SNA 08/03/15 increase from 7x to 8x Daily 737-700/737-800 AS Announcement
  55. 08/07/14 Alaska PDX - SJD 03/11/14 New 4x Weekly 737-800/737-900 Seasonal AS Announcement
  56. 08/07/14 Alaska PDX - PVR 04/11/14 New 3x Weekly 737-800/737-900 Seasonal AS Announcement
  57. 13/11/14 Alaska IAD - SEA 11/03/15 New 1x Daily 737-800/737-900 AS Announcement
  58. 14/11/14 Delta seeks 30 (!) gates at SEA Bloomberg story
  59. 19/11/14 Delta adds SEA-DEN/BOI/SMF/KTN/SIT Summer '15 DL Press Release | FT Thread
  60. 11/25/14 Alaska Adds SEA-MKE NEW daily E-175 starting July 1, 2015 AS Press Release
  61. 11/25/14 Alaska Adds SEA-OKC NEW daily E-175 starting July 1, 2015 AS Press Release
  62. 22/02/15 Delta Announces 717 service to operate on SEA-LAX/LAS/PHX flights DL Press Release and then pulls LAS/PHX service back to regional jets. LAX service remains on 737 equipment (Delta.com)
  63. 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-JNU to year round service using CRJ-900 outside of summer DL Press Release
  64. 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-FAI to year round service using E-175 outside of summer DL Press Release
  65. 22/02/15 Delta Extends SEA-PVR/SJD seasonal Saturday service to October 3, 2015 DL Press Release and then pulls it back to start December 19, 2015 (Delta.com)
  66. 22/02/15 Delta Adds 2nd SEA-PSP seasonal flight CRJ-700 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
  67. 22/02/15 Delta Increases seasonal SEA-TUS Saturday flight to Daily using CRJ-700 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
  68. 22/02/15 Delta Adds SEA-KOA NEW daily 757-200 starting December 19, 2015DL Press Release
  69. 10/03/15 Alaska Adds SEA-JFK NEW daily 737-800 starting September 16, 2015 AS Press Release
  70. 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-BNA NEW daily 737-800 starting September 23, 2015 AS Press Release
  71. 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-RDU NEW daily 737-800 starting October 1, 2015 AS Press Release
  72. 28/04/15 Alaska Adds SEA-CHS NEW 4x/weekly 737-800 starting November 16, 2015 AS Press Release
  73. 14/05/15 Alaska Announces Preferred Plus Seating options AS Press Release
  74. 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-BZN Daily year round CRJ-700 on Aug 1, 2015 DL Press Release
  75. 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-PSC NEW 3x/day CRJ-700 on Nov 1, 2015 DL Press Release
  76. 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-MCO NEW 1x/day 757-200 on Dec 19, 2015 DL Press Release
  77. 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-BOS NEW 1x/day 737-800 on April 4, 2016 DL Press Release
  78. 26/05/15 Delta Adds SEA-YYJ NEW 3x/day CRJ-700 on April 4, 2016 DL Press Release
  79. 26/05/15 Delta Announces end to SEA-HND (Tokyo Haneda) service effective September 30. Route authority to be transferred to American to operate Los Angeles - Haneda. Seattle Times
  80. 07/22/15 Alaska announces partnership with Hainan Airlines which will reduce dependence on Delta for traffic to/from Asia AS Announcement | FT Thread
  81. 08/05/15 Alaska announces Boardroom members can access American Admirals Club starting 15 Aug and on 17 Oct that Former US Airways flights will be eligible for earn and burn miles FT Thread
  82. 09/22/15 Alaska announces partnership with Icelandair Icelandair Announcement
  83. 10/22/15 Alaska Opens New North Satellite Boardroom. AS Press Release
  84. 10/22/15 Alaska Alaska announces codeshare agreement with Emirates. AS Press Release
  85. 12/18/15 Delta Adds SEA-MSO, SEA-BIL and SEA-YEG NEW with CRJ-900/700 equipment operated by Skywest Routesonline (MSO) Routesonline (BIL) Routesonline (YEG)
  86. 01/01/16 Alaska and Delta: no more reciprocal Board Room/Sky Club Benefits
  87. 04/04/16 Alaska Alaska Air Group announces acquisition of Virgin America (Pending Government Approval). AS Press Release
  88. 05/10/16 Alaska Announces Japan Airlines as new Mileage Plan Member and codeshare partner. AS Press Release
  89. 05/11/16 DL adds Shuttle Service to Seattle (SFO and LAX)
  90. 06/21/16 Delta Will switch SEA-LHR from Delta to Virgin Atlantic using 787-9 starting March 26, 2017. Delta's 767-300ER will be reallocated seasonally to a 4x/week service on PDX-LHR from May 26, 2107-Oct 29, 2017. DL Press Release
  91. 06/21/16 Delta Add SEA-SUN Daily Dec 21, 2016-Jan 2, 2017 and Saturday's only from Jan 7-Mar 25, 2017 with CRJ-700. Routesonline | Delta.com
  92. 06/29/16 Alaska Adds SEA-SBP (San Luis Obispo) Daily year round E175 operated by SkyWest on April 17, 2017. AS Press Release
  93. 07/13/16 Alaska Adding seasonal flights to SEA-SUN. Double Daily Q400 Dec 16-Jan 2 and an added Sat/Sun from Feb 18-Mar 26, 2017. AS Press Release
  94. 07/21/16 Alaska Increasing SEA-EWR to 3 Daily flights with 737 starting May 14, 2017. AS Press Release
  95. 07/21/16 Alaska Adds SEA-ICT (Wichita) NEW daily E175 operated by SkyWest starting April 13, 2017. AS Press Release
  96. 07/21/16 Alaska Adds SEA-IND (Indianapolis) NEW daily 737 starting May 14, 2017. AS Press Release
  97. 08/14/16 Delta Adds 2nd SEA-BOS Daily 737-800 starting June 8, 2017. DL Press Release | Routesonline
  98. 08/14/16 Delta Adds SEA-EUG NEW 3x daily CRJ-700 starting April 1, 2017. Routesonline
  99. 08/14/16 Delta Adds SEA-RDU NEW daily 737-800 starting June 8, 2017. Routesonline
  100. 08/31/16 Delta discontinues SEA-BIL nonstop flights. Delta.com
  101. 08/31/16 Delta discontinues SEA-JNU from year round to seasonal until May 19, 2017. Delta.com
  102. 09/05/16 Delta discontinues SEA-MSO and SEA-BZN nonstop flights. Delta.com
  103. 10/21/2016 Delta opens a beautiful, spacious, new lounge at SeaTac, further showing how uninspiring the Board Rooms are.
  104. 3/2/2020 Delta (re)adds SEA-LHR, adds SEA-CMH, SEA-DFW, more frequencies on existing routes. Delta.com
  105. Further chronology? Please add! Loss of benefits, etc.
Print Wikipost

DL Encroaches Further on AS' Turf - Master Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 18, 2014, 6:40 pm
  #1021  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,991
Originally Posted by BOB W
Can we just get this over with? It's like kids watching their parents trudge towards divorce, yet both parties are acting like nothing is happening or it is the other ones fault. And now:

The next step in that dissolution begins on May 6, when Mileage Plan members will have to spend more miles for many award flights on Delta.

Among the award-price increases:
◾U.S. transcontinental and Canada business/first awards will increase from 50,000 to 65,000 miles.
◾Coach flights to Hawaii will increase from 40,000 to 45,000 miles.
◾Business Elite awards to Europe will increase from 100,000 to 125,000 miles.
◾Coach flights to Asia will increase from 60,000 to 80,000 miles.
◾Business Elite flights to Asia will increase from 120,000 to 140,000 miles.


^^^^^
edgewood49 is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 9:33 am
  #1022  
ANC
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Programs: AS MVPG, CO, NW(now DL), Flying Blue
Posts: 6,554
Originally Posted by BOB W
Can we just get this over with? It's like kids watching their parents trudge towards divorce, yet both parties are acting like nothing is happening or it is the other ones fault. .
exactly! Its gotten quite juvenile quite honestly. The only thing I could think of is that maybe the partnership contract renewal/non renewal date isnt quite close to being up and there is nothing as of yet that falls under early severability clause conditions
ANC is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 4:09 pm
  #1023  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,991
Originally Posted by ANC
exactly! Its gotten quite juvenile quite honestly. The only thing I could think of is that maybe the partnership contract renewal/non renewal date isnt quite close to being up and there is nothing as of yet that falls under early severability clause conditions
I agree this whole thing has spooked many of us FF, caused some, including me to "look" around at my options and only increased my distain for DL and I am a old DL FF from when I lived on the east coast. And really I don't know about any of the others but when flying on DL I never got the treatment that AS staff accorded their partners.

What I am wanting to hear from AS is exactly what are they going to do in the way of a replacement partner. we all assume it's American but one never knows these days. Certainly AS needs a major member of an alliance ? I would think so.

just saying
edgewood49 is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 5:06 pm
  #1024  
ANC
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Programs: AS MVPG, CO, NW(now DL), Flying Blue
Posts: 6,554
Originally Posted by edgewood49

What I am wanting to hear from AS is exactly what are they going to do in the way of a replacement partner. we all assume it's American but one never knows these days. Certainly AS needs a major member of an alliance ? I would think so.

just saying
That or I suppose there still is the remote possibility and option of joining an alliance
ANC is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 5:31 pm
  #1025  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: JNU
Programs: HH D, AS MM/MVPG for life/AL, Awesome Wipes VIP Club, NEXUS, Hertz 5-Star Gold
Posts: 2,893
The divorce may be inevitable but the code-sharing agreement will go on regardless (if you believe what you read, which I don't).
dave1013 is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 6:38 pm
  #1026  
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVPG, Alaska Lounge, HHonors Silver, Bonvoy Gold, National Executive
Posts: 455
As UAPremierExec pointed out, the last Delta redemption changes are just aligning the Alaska miles costs with what the same tickets cost DL SkyMiles members at the saver rate. So, there really is nothing to see here. Though, I would place a higher value on my Alaska miles, so we can consider that it is more expensive to redeem on Delta using AS miles.

I don't consider this part of any divorce issues, this actually shows that they're updating the award chart, expecting redemptions ton continue after DL increases rates for its own members.
lg20 is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 8:07 pm
  #1027  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,991
Originally Posted by ANC
That or I suppose there still is the remote possibility and option of joining an alliance
you know I don't think AS will go that far however as I said it does make sense for them to "join up or aline" with another major member of a world wide alliance. American seems to be the most likely. United and their alliances seem far fetched.
edgewood49 is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 10:37 pm
  #1028  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Programs: Alaska Tanzanite 100K
Posts: 3,858
Alaska's refusal to join SkyTeam is a reason that we have downgraded MVP Gold bennies on Delta....
UAPremierExec is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 10:42 pm
  #1029  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Anchorage, AK
Programs: Lifetime AS 1MM & MVPG, AS MVPG100K, AA, DL, HH-G
Posts: 8,259
Originally Posted by UAPremierExec
Alaska's refusal to join SkyTeam is a reason that we have downgraded MVP Gold bennies on Delta....
And you have proof to back this statement up?
BOB W is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 19, 2014, 11:21 pm
  #1030  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Over the Bay Bridge, CA
Programs: Jumbo mas
Posts: 38,638
Originally Posted by UAPremierExec
Alaska's refusal to join SkyTeam is a reason that we have downgraded MVP Gold bennies on Delta....
I do not think so. It seems like DL gave the KE relationship a non-lubricated anal probe at some point in the last year.

Alaska's refusal to fly DL codeshare pax for a pittance on connecting international traffic is probably what started this, but then, I have no personal knowledge of anything.
Eastbay1K is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2014, 7:37 am
  #1031  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,991
Originally Posted by Eastbay1K
I do not think so. It seems like DL gave the KE relationship a non-lubricated anal probe at some point in the last year.

Alaska's refusal to fly DL codeshare pax for a pittance on connecting international traffic is probably what started this, but then, I have no personal knowledge of anything.
I think that someone someplace a "request or suggestion" was made to which AS replied "no" and here we are. Again one can only hope that they stop the vail attempt of "partnership" get the damn divorce and AS can hopefully work something out with another pretty face and we can all get on with our lives
edgewood49 is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2014, 10:37 am
  #1032  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Over the Bay Bridge, CA
Programs: Jumbo mas
Posts: 38,638
Originally Posted by edgewood49
I think that someone someplace a "request or suggestion" was made to which AS replied "no" and here we are. Again one can only hope that they stop the vail attempt of "partnership" get the damn divorce and AS can hopefully work something out with another pretty face and we can all get on with our lives
As alluded to earlier, it appears that some of the partnership is a specific contract term (i.e., dates, rates of reimbursements for redemption, etc.) and others are more of a I'll show you mine if you show me yours" sort of reciprocity, and those have been the first things to drop.

Other than waiting for more shoes to drop, we can all get on with our lives if we decide not to deal with DL anymore. We don't have to fly them, and we don't have to visit their lounges. In fact, I need a paid connecting flight to get to another reservation, and as I'll have checked luggage, DL made it easy by not giving me free bags, as I no longer considered it an option.
Eastbay1K is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2014, 1:49 pm
  #1033  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Programs: Alaska Tanzanite 100K
Posts: 3,858
Originally Posted by BOB W
And you have proof to back this statement up?
Yes. Just go look at the SkyTeam website and see if they list their rules and governance requirements for members.

SkyTeam is wound MUCH tighter than OneWorld and Star Alliance. One of the more recent directives coming out of SkyTeam is that member airlines can NOT give the same recognition to non-SkyTeam airlines elite members.

I'm ONLY talking about the recent ELITE devaluation.
UAPremierExec is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2014, 6:03 pm
  #1034  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,956
Originally Posted by UAPremierExec
Yes. Just go look at the SkyTeam website and see if they list their rules and governance requirements for members.

SkyTeam is wound MUCH tighter than OneWorld and Star Alliance. One of the more recent directives coming out of SkyTeam is that member airlines can NOT give the same recognition to non-SkyTeam airlines elite members.

I'm ONLY talking about the recent ELITE devaluation.

But you have no proof that Alaska was ever even asked to join the "Skyteam Alliance". The rules may state that they can not give same recognition to non Skyteam members, but that doesn't mean that Alaska was asked to be a part of the alliance. Not saying that they would take the opportunity if asked, they may well not, but you don't have proof.
AS Flyer is offline  
Reply
Old Apr 20, 2014, 7:58 pm
  #1035  
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Mountain Time Zone
Programs: AS Million Miler/Marriott Lifetime Titanium/ IGH Ambassador
Posts: 5,991
Originally Posted by AS Flyer
But you have no proof that Alaska was ever even asked to join the "Skyteam Alliance". The rules may state that they can not give same recognition to non Skyteam members, but that doesn't mean that Alaska was asked to be a part of the alliance. Not saying that they would take the opportunity if asked, they may well not, but you don't have proof.
^^^
edgewood49 is offline  
Reply



Advanced Search
Reply Closed Thread Share
Forum Jump

Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.