Changes to Airpoints?
Oct 30, 2008, 2:13 pm
#76
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Back to the topic, while talking with Airpoints on the phone last night they confirmed that another change to the programme is the removal (somehow) or changes to the mixed carrier earning. For example flying AKL-LAX-ORD in biz will now earn the full NZ airpoints for AKL-LAX even though the connection is on to UA.
Very good change ^
Very good change ^
We've changed the way you earn Airpoints Dollars on journeys that include flights on partner airlines. Now any Air New Zealand flights included in these journeys will earn based on the rates in the Air New Zealand Earn Chart. Partner airline flights will still earn based on rates in the Partner Airline Earn Chart. This means you can earn more Airpoints Dollars than before on these types of journeys.
Pricing Changes Coming
The price of Airpoints Reward upgrades, companion tickets, and flights with our partner airlines will be increasing on 1 December 2008. You can use your Airpoints Dollars to purchase Rewards at the current rates until then.
The price of Airpoints Reward upgrades, companion tickets, and flights with our partner airlines will be increasing on 1 December 2008. You can use your Airpoints Dollars to purchase Rewards at the current rates until then.
Oct 30, 2008, 6:21 pm
#77
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: WLG (previously SOU and PLH)
Programs: NZ Elite, QFWP, IHG Plat, *wood Gold
Posts: 532
No more Christmas Gift then?
Quote:
Gold Elite Gifts
We've introduced Gold Elite Gifts to thank our Gold Elite members for choosing to fly with us so frequently. When a member reaches 2500 Status Points from their last requalification date, we'll get in touch with them to ask what gift they would like. An example of a Gold Elite Gift could include:
* A degustation and wine match dinner for two at one of the award winning restaurants of our consultant chefs.
* A case of medal winning wines from the Air New Zealand Wine Awards.
* An extra year at Gold Elite status.
So is the above another way of saying they are going to scrap the christmas gift for gold elites?
Gold Elite Gifts
We've introduced Gold Elite Gifts to thank our Gold Elite members for choosing to fly with us so frequently. When a member reaches 2500 Status Points from their last requalification date, we'll get in touch with them to ask what gift they would like. An example of a Gold Elite Gift could include:
* A degustation and wine match dinner for two at one of the award winning restaurants of our consultant chefs.
* A case of medal winning wines from the Air New Zealand Wine Awards.
* An extra year at Gold Elite status.
So is the above another way of saying they are going to scrap the christmas gift for gold elites?
Oct 30, 2008, 7:22 pm
#79
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wellington
Programs: QFWP (LTSG), NZ (Jade), TG ROP (Forgotten), OZ (Silver), AA (Cardboard), EK (Lowest of the Low)
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We were devaluing the CC point to FF points (negative customer expereince) and decided to give the customer a good experience by offering them a "campanion card" of a different brand that offered 2 points for $1. Of course there were additional annual charges but the biggest factor the other brand gave a lots more of the value transaction. Anyway the project was a roaring success.
Oct 30, 2008, 8:21 pm
#80
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: New Zealand
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Oct 31, 2008, 2:03 pm
#81
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My thoughts.
1) All paid NZ flights earn status points.
A good move to offset the QFF advantage.
2) Mixed itinerary earning will now be partner airline flights on the partner chart and Air NZ flights on the Air NZ chart.
About time. Removes one of the biggest annoyances. However I do question whether this will be positive in every situation, because the Air NZ chart is per journey and the partner chart is per flight. Will have to see how they've applied it first.
3) Gift at 2500 status points.
Positive, assuming the gift is significantly better than the Christmas gifts. At last some benefit in continuing to credit to airpoints once (re)qualified GE. It would be even better if they publish what the gifts to select from are, and one or more option(s) for additional upgrade vouchers/bonus airpoints dollars.
4) Increased cost of upgrades from 1 December.
Not surprising given how difficult it is to clear upgrades, and a way for NZ to increase the value of the complimentary upgrade voucher. However, it rankles that airpoints earning rates have not kept up with higher fares and higher burning rates. Since the change to airpoints dollars it has been almost one-way traffic in that all changes are in favour of Air NZ (obvious exception being trans-tasman redemptions).
5) Increased cost of partner awards from 1 December.
Again not surprising. The cost of redemptions on Air NZ has been steadily increasing as fares have increased, so an increase in partner redemptions is needed to maintain relativities. However, given earning rates have not been increased it is unfair IMO.
1) All paid NZ flights earn status points.
A good move to offset the QFF advantage.
2) Mixed itinerary earning will now be partner airline flights on the partner chart and Air NZ flights on the Air NZ chart.
About time. Removes one of the biggest annoyances. However I do question whether this will be positive in every situation, because the Air NZ chart is per journey and the partner chart is per flight. Will have to see how they've applied it first.
3) Gift at 2500 status points.
Positive, assuming the gift is significantly better than the Christmas gifts. At last some benefit in continuing to credit to airpoints once (re)qualified GE. It would be even better if they publish what the gifts to select from are, and one or more option(s) for additional upgrade vouchers/bonus airpoints dollars.
4) Increased cost of upgrades from 1 December.
Not surprising given how difficult it is to clear upgrades, and a way for NZ to increase the value of the complimentary upgrade voucher. However, it rankles that airpoints earning rates have not kept up with higher fares and higher burning rates. Since the change to airpoints dollars it has been almost one-way traffic in that all changes are in favour of Air NZ (obvious exception being trans-tasman redemptions).
5) Increased cost of partner awards from 1 December.
Again not surprising. The cost of redemptions on Air NZ has been steadily increasing as fares have increased, so an increase in partner redemptions is needed to maintain relativities. However, given earning rates have not been increased it is unfair IMO.
Oct 31, 2008, 2:13 pm
#82
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Now, impact on me.
1) Nil practically - while I have lots of grab-a-seat and smart saver fares I don't need more status points.
2) Very good and will result in more Air NZ bookings from me. Sometimes I fly other alliances in part because the earning rates are decimated due to the need for mixed airline itineraries. I'm a bit cautious about implementation though (see above for a question).
3) Will it be a yawn or will it be good? Who knows. I've finally managed to log in on a different computer and notice I have 1,048 status credits missing.
4)
5)
1) Nil practically - while I have lots of grab-a-seat and smart saver fares I don't need more status points.
2) Very good and will result in more Air NZ bookings from me. Sometimes I fly other alliances in part because the earning rates are decimated due to the need for mixed airline itineraries. I'm a bit cautious about implementation though (see above for a question).
3) Will it be a yawn or will it be good? Who knows. I've finally managed to log in on a different computer and notice I have 1,048 status credits missing.
4)
5)
Oct 31, 2008, 2:29 pm
#83
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Discounted business class awards on NZ are also going up 1 December.
NOU/PPT are the exception, but their existing award cost was over-priced (being higher than some fares).
On the new scale, HNL and Asia look overpriced relative to fares.
Code:
One-way cost (+ taxes) AKL to Current New Honolulu 1,060 1,830 +73% Noumea 1,020 710 -30% Tahiti 1,020 710 -30% Asia 1,420 1,980 +39% USA 1,750 2,790 +59% Canada 1,750 2,790 +59% London 2,270 3,190 +41%
On the new scale, HNL and Asia look overpriced relative to fares.
Oct 31, 2008, 3:02 pm
#84
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Partner awards are going up, a lot.
Oh dear this is really bad. Costs on Air NZ flights have gone up the most
Code:
Rates per one-way sector (+ taxes)
Current rates New rates Difference
Route Y Y+ C F Y Y+ C F Y Y+ C F
NZ & Oz 305 500 960 1,260 305 500 960 1,260 0% 0% 0% 0%
NZ & Asia 815 1,145 1,555 1,950 990 1,180 2,110 2,640 +21% +3% +36% +35%
NZ & N.Am 870 1,420 1,750 2,215 1,000 1,490 2,720 3,443 +15% +5% +55% +55%
NZ & Pacific 305 - 960 1,260 305 - 960 1,260 0% - 0% 0%
NZ & Europe 1,455 1,810 2,270 3,130 1,460 1,810 2,270 3,130 +0% 0% 0% 0%
NZ & HNL/PPT 595 - 1,060 1,720 600 - 1,060 1,720 0% - 0% 0%
Oz & Asia 735 - 1,460 1,855 890 - 1,980 2,520 +21% - +36% +36%
Oz & Africa 715 - 1,525 2,570 866 - 2,068 3,491 +21% - +36% +36%
Oz & N.Am 995 - 1,775 2,240 1,150 - 2,760 3,480 +16% - +55% +55%
Oz & Europe 1,280 - 2,315 3,170 1,280 - 2,320 3,170 0% - +0% 0%
Oz & HNL/PPT 785 - 1,445 1,840 790 - 1,450 1,840 +0% - +0% 0%
Asia & Africa 760 - 1,485 1,880 920 - 2,010 2,550 +21% - +35% +36%
Asia & N.Am 805 - 1,530 1,925 970 - 2,070 2,620 +20% - +35% +36%
Asia & Europe 910 1,235 1,620 2,015 910 1,235 1,620 2,020 0% 0% 0% +0%
Asia & HNL/PPT 810 - 1,535 1,930 810 - 1,540 1,930 0% - +0% 0%
Asia & M.East 760 - 1,485 1,880 920 - 2,010 2,550 +21% - +35% +36%
Afr. & Europe 760 - 1,485 1,880 760 - 1,490 1,880 0% - +0% 0%
Afr. & M.East 495 - 1,155 1,420 600 - 1,560 1,930 +21% - +35% +36%
Afr. & S.Am 1,220 - 2,210 2,885 1,480 - 2,980 3,920 +21% - +35% +36%
N.Am & C.Am 535 - 1,190 1,445 650 - 1,610 1,960 +21% - +35% +36%
N.Am & S.Am 695 - 1,485 1,880 840 - 2,010 2,550 +21% - +35% +36%
N.Am & Pacific 950 - 1,445 1,840 950 - 1,450 1,840 0% - +0% 0%
N.Am & Europe 650 1,195 1,445 1,840 750 1,379 2,250 2,860 +15% +15% +56% +55%
N.Am & HNL/PPT 990 - 1,455 1,880 990 - 1,460 1,880 0% - +0% 0%
N.Am & M.East1,035 - 1,415 2,280 1,190 - 2,200 3,540 +15% - +55% +55%
N.Am & Africa1,220 - 2,210 2,885 1,400 - 3,440 4,480 +15% - +56% +55%
C.Am & S.Am 535 - 1,190 1,445 650 - 1,610 1,960 +21% - +35% +36%
C.Am & Europe1,035 - 1,815 2,280 1,190 - 2,830 3,540 +15% - +56% +55%
C.Am & Oz 885 - 1,575 1,975 890 - 1,580 1,980 +1% - +0% +0%
S.Am & Europe1,035 - 1,815 2,280 1,190 - 2,830 3,540 +15% - +56% +55%
S.Am & M.East1,035 - 1,815 2,280 1,190 - 2,830 3,540 +15% - +56% +55%
S.Am & Oz 885 - 1,575 1,975 890 - 1,580 1,980 +1% - +0% +0%
Eur & HNL/PPT1,454 - 2,280 3,135 1,460 - 2,280 3,140 +0% - 0% 0%
Eur & M.East 535 - 1,190 2,345 650 - 1,610 3,180 +21% - +35% +36%
NZ domestic 120 - - - 120 - - - 0% - - -
Intra zone
<2000 km 250 - 580 845 250 - 580 845 0% - 0% 0%
>2000 km 530 - 760 1,090 640 - 1,030 1,480 +21% - +36% +36%
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Oct 31, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Oct 31, 2008, 4:16 pm
#87
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Upgrades on NZ are also going up 1 December.
Code:
One-way cost
Routes with no premium economy (this includes all trans-tasman from 1 December)
Economy to Business
Route Current New Change
S/by C'firm S/by C'firm S/by C'firm
NZ & Oz (xPER)220 250 250 350 +14% +59%
NZ & PER 330 330 450 550 +36% +67%
NZ & Pacific 220 250 250 350 +14% +59%
NZ & HNL/PPT 330 550 430 715 +30% +30%
Intra Pacific 175 220 175 220 0% 0%
LAX & Pacific 330 550 330 550 0% 0%
Routes with premium economy
Economy to Business Premier
Route Current New Change
S/by C'firm S/by C'firm S/by C'firm
NZ & LHR - 1,980 - 3,270 - +65%
All others 660 1,485 730 1,630 +11% +10%
Economy to Premium Economy
Route Current New Change
S/by C'firm S/by C'firm S/by C'firm
NZ & LHR - 605 - 880 - +45%
All others 220 440 220 440 0% 0%
Premium Economy to Business Premier
Route Current New Change
S/by C'firm S/by C'firm S/by C'firm
NZ & LHR - 1,370 - 2,300 - +67%
All others 440 1,045 480 1,150 +9% +10%
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Oct 31, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Oct 31, 2008, 4:42 pm
#88
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Upgrades on *A are also going up 1 December.
There are some rule changes too.
S, J & Z on SQ are no longer eligible for upgrade.
J on LH is no longer eligible for upgrade.
Upgrades on OZ/OS/LO/LX/TP/TG/SQ/UA must be requested at least 7 days before departure, previously no requirement. NH/LH remain unchanged at 28 days before departure.
There are some rule changes too.
S, J & Z on SQ are no longer eligible for upgrade.
J on LH is no longer eligible for upgrade.
Upgrades on OZ/OS/LO/LX/TP/TG/SQ/UA must be requested at least 7 days before departure, previously no requirement. NH/LH remain unchanged at 28 days before departure.
Code:
One-way cost
Route Current New Change
Y->C C->F Y->C C->F Y->C C->F
NZ & Oz (xPER) 240 260 380 410 +58% +58%
NZ & PER 360 390 600 650 +67% +67%
NZ & Pacific 240 260 380 410 +58% +58%
NZ & Asia 1,550 1,790 1,700 1,960 +10% +9%
NZ & N.Am 1,550 1,790 1,700 1,960 +10% +9%
NZ & Europe 2,180 2,400 3,600 3,960 +65% +65%
NZ & HNL/PPT 550 600 720 780 +31% +30%
Oz & Asia 1,170 1,480 1,860 2,150 +59% +45%
Oz & N.Am 1,410 1,790 1,550 1,960 +10% +9%
Oz & Europe 1,850 2,540 3,060 4,190 +65% +65%
Oz & HNL/PPT 1,160 1,470 1,520 1,920 +31% +31%
Asia & Africa 1,190 1,500 1,610 2,030 +35% +35%
Asia & N.Am 1,220 1,540 1,650 2,110 +35% +36%
Asia & Europe 1,550 1,790 1,550 1,790 0% 0%
Asia & HNL/PPT1,230 1,540 1,230 1,540 0% 0%
Asia & M.East 1,190 1,500 1,610 2,030 +35% +35%
Afr. & Europe 1,190 1,500 1,190 1,500 0% 0%
Afr. & M.East 920 1,140 1,240 1,550 +35% +36%
N.Am & C.Am 950 1,160 1,290 1,570 +36% +35%
N.Am & S.Am 1,190 1,500 1,610 2,030 +35% +35%
N.Am & Pacific1,160 1,470 1,160 1,470 0% 0%
N.Am & Europe 1,550 1,790 2,410 2,780 +55% +55%
N.Am & HNL/PPT1,160 1,500 1,160 1,500 0% 0%
N.Am & M.East 1,130 1,820 1,760 2,830 +56% +55%
N.Am & Africa 1,770 2,300 2,760 3,570 +56% +55%
C.Am & S.Am 950 1,160 1,290 1,570 +36% +35%
C.Am & Europe 1,450 1,820 2,260 2,830 +56% +55%
C.Am & Oz 1,260 1,580 1,260 1,580 0% 0%
S.Am & Europe 1,450 1,820 2,260 2,830 +56% +55%
S.Am & M.East 1,450 1,820 2,260 2,830 +56% +55%
S.Am & Oz 1,260 1,580 1,260 1,580 0% 0%
Eur. & HNL/PPT1,820 2,510 1,820 2,510 0% 0%
Eur. & M.East 950 1,880 1,290 2,550 +36% +36%
Intra zone
<2000 km 460 680 460 680 0% 0%
>2000 km 600 870 810 1,180 +35% +36%
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Oct 31, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Oct 31, 2008, 4:56 pm
#89
Join Date: Jun 2008
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I am glad that all flights will now at least get status points - I will at least get some status (most of flights I take in the past have earned nothing, so I tended to us QF when I can). So a good move by AirNZ to make me loyal to them.
However as KF points out my AirBucks dont go as far as they used to - every $100 rise in the price of an airfare I wish to purchase means an extra 8.3 domestic flights at 12 status points.
AirNZ really has us screwed.
Oct 31, 2008, 5:21 pm
#90
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Posts: 28
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2) Mixed itinerary earning will now be partner airline flights on the partner chart and Air NZ flights on the Air NZ chart.
About time. Removes one of the biggest annoyances. However I do question whether this will be positive in every situation, because the Air NZ chart is per journey and the partner chart is per flight. Will have to see how they've applied it first.
2) Mixed itinerary earning will now be partner airline flights on the partner chart and Air NZ flights on the Air NZ chart.
About time. Removes one of the biggest annoyances. However I do question whether this will be positive in every situation, because the Air NZ chart is per journey and the partner chart is per flight. Will have to see how they've applied it first.