Paging Captain Norma Rae. Pilots might strike May 19.
Apr 27, 2018, 2:28 pm
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Yes the strike date is set in stone and cannot occur earlier because as is noted in the linked article there's a mandated 21-day cooling off period from 27th Apr. so the earliest date a strike could happen is 19 May.
Apr 27, 2018, 3:03 pm
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Please correct me if I'm wrong but but they could delay strike action until after the 19th. Having the pilots be able to walk out at any moment would likely focus the attention of the employers bargaining team.
Apr 27, 2018, 3:28 pm
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There has to be a minimum 72 hours notice given for the strike to be legal. From the federal rules: https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...argaining.html
If no agreement is reached during the conciliation process, there is a 21-day waiting period (known as a cooling-off period) before the parties may acquire the legal right to strike or lockout. As per article 87.2 of the Canada Labour Code, advance notice of strike or lockout to the other party and the Minister of Labour is required to be served at least seventy-two hours in advance. Furthermore, to strike, the union must have sought and received a positive strike vote from its members within the previous 60 days.
Strike or lockout notice must be filed in full compliance as stipulated in section 7 of the Canada Industrial Relations Regulations.
Strike or lockout notice
A strike notice is an advanced written notice that must be given by the union to the employer indicating the date and time on which a strike will begin. A lockout notice is an advanced written notice that must be given by the employer to the union indicating the date and time on which a lockout will begin.If no agreement is reached during the conciliation process, there is a 21-day waiting period (known as a cooling-off period) before the parties may acquire the legal right to strike or lockout. As per article 87.2 of the Canada Labour Code, advance notice of strike or lockout to the other party and the Minister of Labour is required to be served at least seventy-two hours in advance. Furthermore, to strike, the union must have sought and received a positive strike vote from its members within the previous 60 days.
Strike or lockout notice must be filed in full compliance as stipulated in section 7 of the Canada Industrial Relations Regulations.
Apr 27, 2018, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by aerobod
to strike, the union must have sought and received a positive strike vote from its members within the previous 60 days.
Yes, provided they offer proper notice and were still within the 60-day window they could delay a strike until there was maximum effect such as over Canada Day and the start of the busy Summer travel season.
Apr 27, 2018, 5:49 pm
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I’m sure lawyers would need to sort that out, if it isn’t spelt out in the legislation.
Apr 29, 2018, 4:56 pm
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Quite a few of the pilots have gross incomes of over $300K per year with minimal overtime, some with the higher levels of overtime are in the high $300s. Typical net income for these pilots is over $200K per year in Alberta, if they take advantage of all the stock programs. Compensation will break down for those paying Alberta tax approximately like this:
27% base net salary
13% ESPP (tax free, available 1 year after contribution)
10% RRSP contribution
10% stock units and options (tax paid amount, vesting between 1 and 3 years after the annual award)
4% profit share and owners performance award
36% deductions (income tax, CPP, EI, LTD)
Apr 29, 2018, 8:22 pm
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And is it not the WS pilots’ campaign that this is not “just” about pay? I.E. Work rules, outsourcing jobs, etc..?
Apr 29, 2018, 8:58 pm
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There has to be a minimum 72 hours notice given for the strike to be legal. From the federal rules: https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-...argaining.html
If no agreement is reached during the conciliation process, there is a 21-day waiting period (known as a cooling-off period) before the parties may acquire the legal right to strike or lockout. As per article 87.2 of the Canada Labour Code, advance notice of strike or lockout to the other party and the Minister of Labour is required to be served at least seventy-two hours in advance. Furthermore, to strike, the union must have sought and received a positive strike vote from its members within the previous 60 days.
Strike or lockout notice must be filed in full compliance as stipulated in section 7 of the Canada Industrial Relations Regulations.
Strike or lockout notice
A strike notice is an advanced written notice that must be given by the union to the employer indicating the date and time on which a strike will begin. A lockout notice is an advanced written notice that must be given by the employer to the union indicating the date and time on which a lockout will begin.If no agreement is reached during the conciliation process, there is a 21-day waiting period (known as a cooling-off period) before the parties may acquire the legal right to strike or lockout. As per article 87.2 of the Canada Labour Code, advance notice of strike or lockout to the other party and the Minister of Labour is required to be served at least seventy-two hours in advance. Furthermore, to strike, the union must have sought and received a positive strike vote from its members within the previous 60 days.
Strike or lockout notice must be filed in full compliance as stipulated in section 7 of the Canada Industrial Relations Regulations.
Apr 29, 2018, 10:25 pm
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Apr 29, 2018, 10:41 pm
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For DEC in the past, step would equal YOS, but not if they had entered through the FO path. In years where the company stock has done well, WestJet pilots have been some of the best paid 737 operators in the industry. As there is no seniority, every pilot is treated equally when it comes to standby listings, vacation bidding, scheduling, etc. What it looks like the pilots want to do is put in a seniority based system and give up company performance based compensation for more base pay. From a compensation perspective, the total won’t likely be significantly more, just a different mix, work rules will change with it getting better for senior pilots likely at the expense of the juniors.
Apr 30, 2018, 12:41 pm
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For DEC in the past, step would equal YOS, but not if they had entered through the FO path. In years where the company stock has done well, WestJet pilots have been some of the best paid 737 operators in the industry. As there is no seniority, every pilot is treated equally when it comes to standby listings, vacation bidding, scheduling, etc. What it looks like the pilots want to do is put in a seniority based system and give up company performance based compensation for more base pay. From a compensation perspective, the total won’t likely be significantly more, just a different mix, work rules will change with it getting better for senior pilots likely at the expense of the juniors.
Apr 30, 2018, 11:26 pm
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Those prepared to accept some risk with a more entereneurial approach to corporate success will have higher net compensation for a given gross compensation, due to the fact that share gains will be taxed at half the rate as a capital gain, compared with other compensation which will be just straight income taxed.