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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 9:06 pm
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Originally Posted by channa
[*]Authoritative Upgrade List within a Cutoff -- United stops clearing upgrades at about 4 hours out, creating a single, authoritative gate upgrade list that is followed and cleared at the gate. CO runs upgrades up until checkin cutoff, which means that the gate can be open, and there are two (2) competing upgrade mechanisms using different upgrade ordering priorities -- the EUA ordering scheme and the airport upgrade list (e.g., #7 got upgraded before #1 because EUA did it not the gate, and #7 was really #1 with the EUA system, even though he was #1 on the gate display and PDA site).
channa, thanks for putting the list together.

Your comment above is slightly wrong but I understand what you're trying to say. The last #1 should say #7 as they appeared as #7 on the gate display/PDA site but they were #1 for the EUA system.

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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by RobOnLI
channa, thanks for putting the list together.

Your comment above is slightly wrong but I understand what you're trying to say. The last #1 should say #7 as they appeared as #7 on the gate display/PDA site but they were #1 for the EUA system.

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Good catch, fixed it, thanks!
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 11:09 pm
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Upgrading on codeshare issued tickets is a new benefit.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 11:15 pm
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Originally Posted by boat9781
Upgrading on codeshare issued tickets is a new benefit.
Can CO EUA a codeshare itin (non-UA or non-CO code, say LH-coded, CO-operated)?

I know for SWU/CR1 upgrades, it has to be CO-issued or UA-issued.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 11:15 pm
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Along the lines of website changes... ability to book far more star carriers. And ability to select segment-by segment flights for awards. And ability to see taxes/cost when selecting awards.

This is along the same lines as the OAL itins listed already, so it should be added as well.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 7:48 am
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Not to throw a wrench in things, and you can take this for what it is worth, but I have hear from two separate UA GA's at two different airports that the plan is to be trained on SHARES and then SIX MONTHS LATER there will be training on a whole 'nother system that is a hybrid of the two.

Yes, basically the plan is to move twice by the end of calendar year 2012.

Again, could just be rumours that others have picked up on but I have heard it twice at different airports. Again, take it for what is worth.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by channa
Can CO EUA a codeshare itin (non-UA or non-CO code, say LH-coded, CO-operated)?
Yes.

Originally Posted by channa
I know for SWU/CR1 upgrades, it has to be CO-issued or UA-issued.
I have had US coded CO Operated Flights ugraded with a SWU (online even) on multiple occassions in the past year. Have you had different experiences?

I was under the general assumption that the coding of the flight has no impact on on EUA or instrument upgrades on CO.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 8:10 am
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Originally Posted by Cuse44
Yes.
I have had US coded CO Operated Flights ugraded with a SWU (online even) on multiple occassions in the past year. Have you had different experiences?

I was under the general assumption that the coding of the flight has no impact on on EUA or instrument upgrades on CO.
This is what I have experienced as well: coding does not affect the CPU/RPU/GPU process on CO metal.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by boat9781
This is what I have experienced as well: coding does not affect the CPU/RPU/GPU process on CO metal.
Correct. This is also an advantage for CO IT vs UA IT. No worries about codeshares (at least I haven't had any in the past).
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by Cuse44
I have had US coded CO Operated Flights ugraded with a SWU (online even) on multiple occassions in the past year. Have you had different experiences?
There was a thread last month about it not being possible with a LH ticket for a CO flight.

It was even UA-coded CO, IIRC, but since it was an LH ticket, that became problematic.

I'll update the list with EUA upgrades for now, but the CR1/SWU one is a bit hit or miss.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by channa
I'll update the list with EUA upgrades for now, but the CR1/SWU one is a bit hit or miss.
Not unlike our ability to use them in real time.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by channa
UPGRADES
  • Reduced Upgrade Visibility/Transparency -- no more "Upgrade: Pending," "Upgrade: Waitlisted," or "Upgrade: Confirmed" to display upgrade status. Phone agents also have no visibility into the upgrade system to help troubleshoot if there is a problem.
Or increased visibility inside the OLCI window, particularly if you're not at the airport or at the gate with the GIDS. And I'm not particularly clear what the "no visibility" bit means.

UDU Waitlisting -- CO uses a sweep methodology to process upgrades, while UA waitlists when you're within your window. This means that with CO's sytems, when upgrade space is available, it is not immediately allocated inside the window (must wait until the next upgrade sweep).
This is certainly different but not necessarily an upgrade or a downgrade, just different.

Authoritative Upgrade List within a Cutoff -- United stops clearing upgrades at about 4 hours out, creating a single, authoritative gate upgrade list that is followed and cleared at the gate. CO runs upgrades up until checkin cutoff, which means that the gate can be open, and there are two (2) competing upgrade mechanisms using different upgrade ordering priorities -- the EUA ordering scheme and the airport upgrade list (e.g., #7 got upgraded before #1 because EUA did it not the gate, and #7 was really #1 with the EUA system, even though he was #7 on the gate display and PDA site).
See above. Different, but there is no point at which two mechanisms are "competing" to upgarade you.
Change Fees -- CO's systems charge change fees as new money, whereas UA debits change fees from the ticket value (e.g., a $500 ticket on UA with a $150 change fee changed to a $350 ticket will be $0 out of pocket; on CO it would be $150 out of pocket and leave you with a $150 residual voucher).
This is a policy choice, not tied to any particular technology and it is not clear what future policy will be AFAIK.


Airport "Battlefield" Upgrades -- CO's system requires that passengers be on their own PNR when listing for an upgrade at the airport. UA can list pax without splitting the record and upgrade any or all of them without a split.
This policy is changing in the new program as I understand it.


History -- CO's systems do not provide gate agents with detailed history on various aspects such as seat or schedule changes.
The history is absolutely there.

BP Scanning when Entering a Club -- UA scans your BP and if you're a club member or *G with int'l flight, they enter you that way. CO must swipe your card and manually enter flight details if applicable.
Once again, not necessarily intrinsically tied to the Shares/Apollo decision.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
Or increased visibility inside the OLCI window, particularly if you're not at the airport or at the gate with the GIDS. And I'm not particularly clear what the "no visibility" bit means.
There's no visibility outside of the OLCI window on CO. On UA, you would see "Upgrade: Pending" if outside the appropriate status window and using UDU; inside the window or if using miles/SWU/CR1, you'd see "Upgrade: Waitlisted."

These at least let you know you were on the list and that the system was "working." (And if you didn't see "Pending," you knew to call and get on the list as something was screwed up, or if you stayed "Pending" inside the appropriate window.)

On CO, there does not appear to be that functionality, and phone agents seem to have poor results in trying to indicate that someone is on the list.

Now, CO had UA beat until recently on the list inside the OLCI window, as they showed the contents of the list and one's place on it, which wasn't readily available on PMUA until at the gate on the GDI. UA now has that functionality via the mobile app, anyway (given it's UI is a clone of the CO mobile app).



Originally Posted by sbm12
This is certainly different but not necessarily an upgrade or a downgrade, just different.
I'd argue it's a slight downgrade, but YMMV on that one. I can envision scenarios both where it would benefit and where it would work to the detriment of particular pax.
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Old Jan 9, 2012 | 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by DawgmanOH
Not to throw a wrench in things, and you can take this for what it is worth, but I have hear from two separate UA GA's at two different airports that the plan is to be trained on SHARES and then SIX MONTHS LATER there will be training on a whole 'nother system that is a hybrid of the two.

Yes, basically the plan is to move twice by the end of calendar year 2012.

Again, could just be rumours that others have picked up on but I have heard it twice at different airports. Again, take it for what is worth.
This matches a report in another thread that the UI overlay known as FastSHARES is indeed not expected to roll out until the end of 2012.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 10:50 am
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In addition to upgrades post check-in being handled more elegantly by CO IT, I believe the same applies to other changes during OLCI and after check-in

For example, I recently changed seats during OLCI and my UA iphone app mobile BP showed the new seat, but both the Iphone app Itin and the united.com My Itins continued to show the old seat assignment... IIRC they are driven by a separate system that does not synch with the one used at the airport

Also, it's been mentioned a few times, but Elite Access privileges for awards redeemed from elite accounts (even if the pax isn't elite) is a nice benefit, IMO
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