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pduck01 Sep 25, 2014 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by RNE (Post 23576964)
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Originally Posted by pduck01


Hi -

I'm MM so Mrs. Pduck also has 1K. We have two kids. To date I have opted to split fam trips into 2 PNRs with one 1K in each. Please rank order your thoughts on:

A) Status quo. 2 PNRs with a 1k and kid in each
B) 3 PNRs - one for each 1k and one for the kids after we put them in E+ next to us
C) 4 PNRs since they will need to split for companion upgrade regardless


Thank you




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pduck01 Nov 5, 2014 8:11 am

CPU vs SDC with 4 PAX PNR (2 1Ks)
 
Hi folks,

I am a 1K. Mrs. Pduck is a 1K. We have two young kids, ergo we always split PNRs into 2 x 2, with one 1K in each.

- Does this allow one PAX in the PNR to get a CPU or does it need to be split individually?
- If one PAX gets an upgrade does that cause a record locator change and force a split?
- If we have to split the PNR on day of travel for upgrades down to single passengers, will they charge the non-1Ks a SDC fee on the return flight (this is the critical question)?

Thank you!

WineCountryUA Nov 5, 2014 12:08 pm


Originally Posted by pduck01 (Post 23795555)
...
I am a 1K. Mrs. Pduck is a 1K. We have two young kids, ergo we always split PNRs into 2 x 2, with one 1K in each.

- Does this allow one PAX in the PNR to get a CPU or does it need to be split individually?
- If one PAX gets an upgrade does that cause a record locator change and force a split? ....

up until check-in the record does not need to be split. At check-in you have a choice or spliting or staying eligble for CPU. Gate upgrades can only be done on single person PNRs.

Originally Posted by pduck01 (Post 23795555)
... - If we have to split the PNR on day of travel for upgrades down to single passengers, will they charge the non-1Ks a SDC fee on the return flight (this is the critical question)? ....

Evidence suggests that linkage to the elite status is lost on the return. In the case of SDC would would have to have the agent research the PNR and see if they will provide the waiver.

also see - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...eeds-stop.html

pduck01 Nov 5, 2014 2:31 pm

But for a CPU at > T+24, the PNR must therefore be split? Not splitting it would seem dramatically lower chances of upgrade, no?

Thank you.

WineCountryUA Nov 5, 2014 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by pduck01 (Post 23797730)
But for a CPU at > T+24, the PNR must therefore be split? Not splitting it would seem dramatically lower chances of upgrade, no?

Thank you.

For gate upgrades the CPU must be split, CPU prior to the gate is still possible with an unsplit PNR. If there are multiple people on the PNR and you do not split, you will not be on the Gate list.

sfo Nov 5, 2014 3:41 pm

I am traveling with two friends who do not have status with UA, we are all on one itinerary. I don't really want to split the itinerary on the outbound as it includes an overnight in ORD and a flight from FRA to MAD with LH. I am willing to take the domestic part of the trip in E+ with them. I was thinking however on the return, the night before our flight could I split the PNR so that when we arrive back in IAH from FRA I might be able to get a CPU for myself on the domestic leg?

emcampbe Nov 5, 2014 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 23796905)
up until check-in the record does not need to be split. At check-in you have a choice or spliting or staying eligble for CPU. Gate upgrades can only be done on single person PNRs.

Clarification based on my experience, whether split or not on the outbound, as long as each record has only 1 or 2 people on it, it will eligible for CPU (I.e. In advance) until whenever that stops (my recollection is it can run up until about T-3). On the outbound, If you split the PNR down to 1 each at OLCI at T-24, each record should still be eligible for CPU based on the status in the original record until whenever it stops running. And also each passenger will be on the gate upgrade standby list based on that same status if you don't clear a CPU. On the outbound, even when split at checkin, the record seems to maintain the status that was on the multi-person record.


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 23796905)
Evidence suggests that linkage to the elite status is lost on the return. In the case of SDC would would have to have the agent research the PNR and see if they will provide the waiver.

also see - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...eeds-stop.html

This has also my experience in the past, though it's been a long while since I've had to split with a pax that was at a different level than me - probably almost about two years ago That said, I do recall reading a report from at least one person a little while back, I think in one of the mega-CPU threads, that reported their non-status companion did retain their status on the return after the split. So perhaps they are better about that now.

goalie Nov 18, 2014 10:53 am

need advice to split/not split a pnr
 
Situation
  • goalie-parents are booked SFO-FLL-SFO
  • Outbound is Jan 14, 2015
  • Return is April 22, 2015
  • One PNR
  • goalie-dad is a 1k via my MM status
  • goalie-mom has no status
  • Both are RPU sponsored by a fellow 1k on the outbound
  • goalie-dad will drop to gold as my MM status match on Jan 31, 2015 as I'm dropping to gold
  • CPU on the return for both
  • I have one RPU from a fellow 1k which can be used on the return

Questions
  • Do I split the PNR now as this would allow both outbound upgrades to clear separately as opposed to running the risk of only one seat opening and having them get bypassed?
  • Do I wait until they have flown the outbound segment and then split the PNR for the return flight?
  • If I do split the PNR, will goalie-mom lose her E+ seat?
  • If I do split the PNR, what happens to the status of each pax at t-24 on both the outbound and the return?
  • If I do split the PNR, where this is a sponsored upgrade, will the sponsor have to get involved and re-apply the upgrades on the outbound?
  • Do I not split the PNR and just have the sponsored upgrade applied just to goalie-mom on the return as she will have no status and goalie-dad can roll the CPU dice?
  • What am I missing?

Thanks and sorry for what appear to be noob questions but normally, I've had enough PRU's to sponsor both goalie-mom and goalie-dad for both legs :)

dcpdxtrans Nov 18, 2014 11:09 am


Originally Posted by emcampbe:23798139

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 23796905)
up until check-in the record does not need to be split. At check-in you have a choice or spliting or staying eligble for CPU. Gate upgrades can only be done on single person PNRs.

Clarification based on my experience, whether split or not on the outbound, as long as each record has only 1 or 2 people on it, it will eligible for CPU (I.e. In advance) until whenever that stops (my recollection is it can run up until about T-3). On the outbound, If you split the PNR down to 1 each at OLCI at T-24, each record should still be eligible for CPU based on the status in the original record until whenever it stops running. And also each passenger will be on the gate upgrade standby list based on that same status if you don't clear a CPU. On the outbound, even when split at checkin, the record seems to maintain the status that was on the multi-person record.


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 23796905)
Evidence suggests that linkage to the elite status is lost on the return. In the case of SDC would would have to have the agent research the PNR and see if they will provide the waiver.

also see - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...eeds-stop.html

This has also my experience in the past, though it's been a long while since I've had to split with a pax that was at a different level than me - probably almost about two years ago That said, I do recall reading a report from at least one person a little while back, I think in one of the mega-CPU threads, that reported their non-status companion did retain their status on the return after the split. So perhaps they are better about that now.

I can report both are true. Earlier this year, post - PNR split caused loss of status that had to be clawed back while Sept experience most likely did not. I say most likely bc I did SDC on split PNR & agent never said a thing when I requested changed itinerary.

olouie Nov 26, 2014 12:18 pm

Splitting Reservation?
 
I have a flight in April with 4 passengers.

I have platinum status and want to upgrade to BF, but not sure what happens if I split the reservation. Since I am using my status to get the other 3 into E+ will they lose their E+ seats if I upgrade myself to BF?

milypan Nov 26, 2014 12:21 pm

IME, not if the seats have been preassigned. But if they needed to change seats for any reason, then they wouldn't be eligible for free E+.

mherdeg Nov 26, 2014 12:30 pm

A root-cause problem here is that the passengers are not by-the-book eligible for free E+ if you upgrade. If you are seated in different cabins (you in business, them in economy) they're not eligible for free economy plus; the E+ perk for elite companions is for companions on the same flight in the same cabin.

Some agents don't enforce this restriction. It's possible that if you split and an aircraft swap happens or something else reassigns your companions' seats, you can call and have an agent put them back in E+, but it's not guaranteed.

goalie Dec 22, 2014 9:44 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 23860504)
Situation
  • goalie-parents are booked SFO-FLL-SFO
  • Outbound is Jan 14, 2015
  • Return is April 22, 2015
  • One PNR
  • goalie-dad is a 1k via my MM status
  • goalie-mom has no status
  • Both are RPU sponsored by a fellow 1k on the outbound
  • goalie-dad will drop to gold as my MM status match on Jan 31, 2015 as I'm dropping to gold
  • CPU on the return for both
  • I have one RPU from a fellow 1k which can be used on the return

Questions
  • Do I split the PNR now as this would allow both outbound upgrades to clear separately as opposed to running the risk of only one seat opening and having them get bypassed?
  • Do I wait until they have flown the outbound segment and then split the PNR for the return flight?
  • If I do split the PNR, will goalie-mom lose her E+ seat?
  • If I do split the PNR, what happens to the status of each pax at t-24 on both the outbound and the return?
  • If I do split the PNR, where this is a sponsored upgrade, will the sponsor have to get involved and re-apply the upgrades on the outbound?
  • Do I not split the PNR and just have the sponsored upgrade applied just to goalie-mom on the return as she will have no status and goalie-dad can roll the CPU dice?
  • What am I missing?

Thanks and sorry for what appear to be noob questions but normally, I've had enough PRU's to sponsor both goalie-mom and goalie-dad for both legs :)

Bumping this because the plot has thickened....

The outbound (SFO-FLL) remains the same but there was a schedule change on the return where goalie-parents are now flying FLL-IAH-SFO and wondering how that will affect things so any advice will be greatly appreciated for both directions of travel :)

emcampbe Dec 22, 2014 4:18 pm

I think this is probably the best place to pose this question about CPUs and effects of splitting record on the outbound. It's been a while since I've done this with a companion on a different status, and despite R3 on my first flight on Wed, still haven't cleared as a plat (short flight, so don't really care), but here goes:

- If you don't split on the outbound, what is the current consensus on what happens for the return? Its been a long time since I've tried this, but as I recall, have cleared with my companion as an advance CPU for returns when not splitting, but on segments where you don't clear in advance, its impossible to add yourself while checking in, and takes a lot to get added at the airport. Is this still correct?

- If I do split on the outbound, obviously will still be considered for all flights (domestic), but separately. However, I am a plat and my wife is gold. Should my wife still be tagged as a plat like me for CPU on the return (i.e. does the rules still say she is supposed to be), and if yes, does it seem to work this way in reality? What about if it goes to the gate list (probably likely for this flight).

Thanks for any input.

Yflyer Dec 29, 2014 10:58 pm

Will splitting a PNR improve GPU upgrade chances?
 
My wife and I are booked on United 747s to fly SFO --> FRA in late June 2015 and then back in early July. The tickets are V fares on a single PNR. We waitlisted for Y --> C using GPUs when I purchased the tickets about 6 weeks ago. There were no R fare seats available around those dates then and none are available now (I check regularly on united.com).

Would we have a better chance of upgrading if I split the PNR into 2 separate ones, and are there any downsides to splitting the PNR? We are both 1ks now and in 2015 (Mrs. Yflyer is 1k by virtue of my 1MM).

Thanks in advance for any comments / suggestions.


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