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Kmxu Sep 24, 2019 12:47 pm

10 point suggestion.
 
United could consider a 10 point tier for short-haul domestic legs, such as those less than 1000 miles.
As I said in another thread before, I am happy that G class is eligible for upgrades.

jfk747 Sep 24, 2019 12:48 pm

These changes will benefit me .Weeds out many elites and future elites . Paid biz travellers will benefit more by upgrading on lh and Ana .Flying United metal international at this point of any American carrier is futile at this point .

bocastephen Sep 24, 2019 12:52 pm

Two questions without clearly obvious answers, or maybe I am overwhelmed with too much information:

1. I have 6 unused GPUs expiring next Jan 31. On Dec 4, these will be converted to Plus Points. Will those Plus Points also expire on Jan 31, 2020, or will they be good for all of next year if I requalify for 1K by Dec 31, PLUS the new batch of 1K PPs I will earn after requalifying?

2. 1K can earn additional PPs for every 20,000 additional miles - so if I requalify for 1K on Dec 31, and I am a 1K going into 2020, do I earn more points every 20,000 miles flown in 2020, or do I need to requalify for 2021 first, get the new batch of 1K PPs, and THEN earn more PPs for every additional 20,000 miles flown in 2020? As an example, I earn 2020 1K status on Dec 20th. On April 20th, I earn 2021 status. Where do my extra points per 20K miles start from?

findark Sep 24, 2019 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 31559081)
1. I have 6 unused GPUs expiring next Jan 31. On Dec 4, these will be converted to Plus Points. Will those Plus Points also expire on Jan 31, 2020, or will they be good for all of next year if I requalify for 1K by Dec 31?

Any GPU you currently have expiring 31-Jan-20 will become 40 PlusPoints each, all expiring on 31-Jan-20. Ditto for any instruments expiring 31-Jan-21 (they keep their expiry).

No word on extending 2 GPU (or 80 points) until 30-Apr-20.


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 31559081)
2. 1K can earn additional PPs for every 20,000 additional miles - so if I requalify for 1K on Dec 31, and I am a 1K going into 2020, do I earn more points every 20,000 miles flown in 2020, or do I need to requalify for 2021 first, get the new batch of 1K PPs, and THEN earn more PPs for every additional 20,000 miles flown in 2020? As an example, I earn 2020 1K status on Dec 20th. On April 20th, I earn 2021 status. Where do my extra points per 20K miles start from?

You earn an additional 40 points for every 25k PQM in excess of 100k (or 30 PQS above 120), assuming you satisfy the requirements for 1K. This is identical to the current 1 GPU you earn in this case, except you get 40 points instead of a GPU. Nothing about the bonus instruments (or any other instrument earning, or their expiration) is changing except you get 40 points any time you would have received a GPU (and 20 for each RPU).

jsloan Sep 24, 2019 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 31559081)
1. I have 6 unused GPUs expiring next Jan 31. On Dec 4, these will be converted to Plus Points. Will those Plus Points also expire on Jan 31, 2020, or will they be good for all of next year if I requalify for 1K by Dec 31, PLUS the new batch of 1K PPs I will earn after requalifying?

I strongly suspect that converted instruments will expire 1/31/2020.


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 31559081)
2. 1K can earn additional PPs for every 20,000 additional miles - so if I requalify for 1K on Dec 31, and I am a 1K going into 2020, do I earn more points every 20,000 miles flown in 2020, or do I need to requalify for 2021 first, get the new batch of 1K PPs, and THEN earn more PPs for every additional 20,000 miles flown in 2020? As an example, I earn 2020 1K status on Dec 20th. On April 20th, I earn 2021 status. Where do my extra points per 20K miles start from?

It's 25K, and this is just the current policy (for additional GPUs), re-stated for points. Your extra points start at 125K PQM in a calendar year, assuming that you've hit the $15K PQD threshold.

hirohito888 Sep 24, 2019 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by Kmxu (Post 31559056)
United could consider a 10 point tier for short-haul domestic legs, such as those less than 1000 miles.
As I said in another thread before, I am happy that G class is eligible for upgrades.

Or as I see it in the future, make <1,000 miles flight upgrades with 20 points, >1,000 with 30 points, and international 50+ points, and spin it as an "enhancement" and "more choices"

CruiserCLE Sep 24, 2019 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by UA Insider (Post 31558760)
Correct, this is on mileageplusupdates.com – we knew it was a pain point that we required a GPU on markets that did have Polaris business service, such as GUM-HNL, Bogota, and Quito, so those routes will now have short-haul pricing. Enjoy!

A big ^ from someone who flies to BOG and UIO regularly - always tried to route via PTY on CM when possible but this will make it a bit more enticing to stay on UA.

Unrelated question: I think I understand the point scheme but does anyone know if you can still choose to waitlist only part of an itinerary? I understand now that if 1 of the 2 legs doesn't clear you would not receive a refund of points (I'm talking strictly domestic/non Polaris flights) but thinking of situations like flying CLE-IAD-West Coast. If I'm correct, it would cost 20 points (1 old RPU) but could you choose to only waitlist it on the transcon portion and role the dice on CPU for the short flight? I would prefer to go that route (as I'm sure many would) since I sure don't want to be wasting points on short hops but could at least get a refund if the transcon ended up not clearing.

Kacee Sep 24, 2019 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by findark (Post 31559097)
Any GPU you currently have expiring 31-Jan-20 will become 40 PlusPoints each, all expiring on 31-Jan-20.

I suspect there will be a rash of "skip the waitlist" requests for flights prior to January 31, 2020, as we all try to burn those points before they expire.

mr8 Sep 24, 2019 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by GDL (Post 31558035)
Still trying to wrap my head around this new scheme:
So let's say I'm on PSP-SFO-HKG and I want to use my points for PP on SFO-HKG segment: will I automatically be enrolled for points for the PSP-SFO route?
I could care less about short domestic segments tied to beginning or end of International itinerary and wouldn't want my points "wasted" by clearing into First on regional jets.

AFAIK, PP requests never include domestic segments, at least with the old system.

ReinaDeLaSelva Sep 24, 2019 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by UA Insider (Post 31558388)
So the number of PlusPoints required is equal to the highest upgrade in the request. If you request an EWR-SFO-Asia request and the highest PlusPoint price upgrade in your request is Premium Plus, the entire request costs 20 PlusPoints.

Senor/a UAInsider, yes, but what about those of who travel extensively to/from LatinoAmerica - like meee lol! Especifically, can we also use UAPlusPoints on CM to upgrade as we have done for years? If so will this be priced similary to RPU's currently i.e. 20 points per oneway itinerary on CM?

Also Senor/a, and as I have complained to Senor Pedro at CM in the past, cannot you fix the accrual of Z class on CM to UA MP in a fair way, por ejemplo by crediting the base revenue fare class like T or W (as purchased and prior to Z clearance, per the UA MP published table for CM accrual) in exactly the same way as UA credits its own upgraded UA flights to MP like W/PZ??

wco81 Sep 24, 2019 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by findark (Post 31557714)
Hi UA Insider ! Do you know if the exclusion of the fare class G from the announcement page was deliberate (Economy G will be non-upgradeable), an accidental oversight, or indicative that the G fare class will be retired or re-purposed next year?


Thats what it sounds like, with a points system, they can just increase the price in points needed over time.

whitethunder Sep 24, 2019 1:19 pm

I did not see this in the wiki:

I have current 2020 reservations with GPU's applied that are waitlisted

if the international segment does not clear but the domestic ones do what happens, will UA then take points away from me based on the domestic legs clearing??

Seems unfair to affect ANY reservations made before Dec 4th, just want to clarify this. Thanks

JShLin Sep 24, 2019 1:21 pm

So... I think I understand how this program change works. NGL, as a soon to be first time plat, I think overall I like the changes. Some enhanced flexibility (and some reduced) and no more "free" domestic upgrades connecting to un-upgraded international; I can accept that. however, I too would second a 10 point option, especially given the value of 30pts.

That said, given that the domestic to International changes, how does that affect an MileagePlus mileage upgrade? Are those still "free", with miles being returned if the Polaris sector doesn't clear? Is that something that has been addressed?

seanp7 Sep 24, 2019 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 31559136)
I suspect there will be a rash of "skip the waitlist" requests for flights prior to January 31, 2020, as we all try to burn those points before they expire.

True, but the routes are unknown and folks will need to decide by Jan 1, 2020 - else they'll follow the regular process.

findark Sep 24, 2019 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by CruiserCLE (Post 31559134)
Unrelated question: I think I understand the point scheme but does anyone know if you can still choose to waitlist only part of an itinerary? I understand now that if 1 of the 2 legs doesn't clear you would not receive a refund of points (I'm talking strictly domestic/non Polaris flights) but thinking of situations like flying CLE-IAD-West Coast. If I'm correct, it would cost 20 points (1 old RPU) but could you choose to only waitlist it on the transcon portion and role the dice on CPU for the short flight? I would prefer to go that route (as I'm sure many would) since I sure don't want to be wasting points on short hops but could at least get a refund if the transcon ended up not clearing.

Yes, you can list the long segment and CPU the short one. The change is you can no longer add the instrument to the short segment if the long one clears, so there is less optionality there.


Originally Posted by JShLin (Post 31559196)
That said, given that the domestic to International changes, how does that affect an MileagePlus mileage upgrade? Are those still "free", with miles being returned if the Polaris sector doesn't clear? Is that something that has been addressed?

No word, which probably means no change for now.


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