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Old May 9, 2023, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by jsloan
Well, the alternative -- especially in Europe with its EC.261 rules -- is to pad schedules further and also to increase the minimum connection time, ensuring that everyone is inconvenienced every time, instead of some passengers being inconvenienced occasionally.
Cleaning the birds beforehand and actually boarding and departing on time isn't an option in your view?
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Old May 9, 2023, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by weero
Cleaning the birds beforehand and actually boarding and departing on time isn't an option in your view?
The thread was about UA holding departures to account for delayed passengers. There will always be delays, whether due to congested airspace or weather or technical issues or whatever. Saying "just be on time" is not a realistic option, no.
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Old May 12, 2023, 4:29 am
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Originally Posted by jsloan
.. Saying "just be on time" is not a realistic option, no.
It absolutely is. No airline ever waited for my connection, they easily not wait for anyone else .
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Old May 12, 2023, 6:52 am
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Originally Posted by weero
It absolutely is. No airline ever waited for my connection, they easily not wait for anyone else .
UA has waited for me a couple times and for others many more. I've never seen anyone onboard grumble because of it. If anything, I've seen people be appreciative because they know they might be in the reversed role next time.
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Old May 12, 2023, 9:27 am
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It absolutely is. No airline ever waited for my connection, they easily not wait for anyone else .
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Old May 13, 2023, 9:26 am
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Originally Posted by weero
Cleaning the birds beforehand and actually boarding and departing on time isn't an option in your view?
any chance that these flights are waiting for a GS / equivalent passenger? We all know that it can happen for the top tier elite pax. Maybe especially those who spend more within that GS category?
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Old May 13, 2023, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by gaobest
any chance that these flights are waiting for a GS / equivalent passenger? We all know that it can happen for the top tier elite pax. Maybe especially those who spend more within that GS category?
See the post prior to yours for a link explaining ConnectionSaver -- it is not an explicitly elite benefit.
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Old May 13, 2023, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by weero
It absolutely is. No airline ever waited for my connection, they easily not wait for anyone else .
United has definitely held SFO-HNL several times for me (and other connecting passengers). And I've been seated on planes SFO-HNL when pilot/GA/or FA announced a hold for connecting passengers. Extrapolating personal experience to be proof of worldwide airline policy is a bit of a stretch
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Old May 13, 2023, 12:24 pm
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
United has definitely held SFO-HNL several times for me (and other connecting passengers). And I've been seated on planes SFO-HNL when pilot/GA/or FA announced a hold for connecting passengers. Extrapolating personal experience to be proof of worldwide airline policy is a bit of a stretch
Ive had flights to HNL held for me. I’m not a fan of connection saver though. I’d prefer flights leave on time. I’d be fine grabbing the next flight.
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Old May 13, 2023, 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer
Ive had flights to HNL held for me. I’m not a fan of connection saver though. I’d prefer flights leave on time. I’d be fine grabbing the next flight.
WIth the fluff UA's been adding into block times, a 15-20 minute hold generally doesn't affect arrival times too much. And several of the HNL-bound flight were the last of the day.
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Old May 13, 2023, 5:45 pm
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I’ve had planes held for me before (though not sure if it is just me…), and I’ve run from late inbounds to watch the planes pull out. So it goes both ways.

Lots of factors involved - where is the plane going next and in how long, crew status (will holding cause someone to timeout), connections at destination (will holding connection let more passengers get onboard than people who it will affect at destination), flight time (if tailwinds, will holding for a few minutes even make aircraft arrive late), weather, slot use, is it holding for 1 pax, or two dozen, etc., etc. more too, I’m sure. GA isn’t even the one making the call - ops is, I’m pretty sure.

it’s never going to be perfect, obviously. UA is trying to do the best it can to help out the most pax, while also making sure it can keep operations on track as much as possible. This stuff is not completely objective all the time - sometimes helping out a few pax here might affect a couple there, or other times it might not affect anyone (which makes the decision easier).
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Old May 19, 2023, 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
United has definitely held SFO-HNL several times for me (and other connecting passengers). And I've been seated on planes SFO-HNL when pilot/GA/or FA announced a hold for connecting passengers. Extrapolating personal experience to be proof of worldwide airline policy is a bit of a stretch
It wasn't an extrpolation, it was a poorly worded recommendation: don't delay everyone to fix your (i.e. the airline's) screw ups.

Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
WIth the fluff UA's been adding into block times, a 15-20 minute hold generally doesn't affect arrival times too much. And several of the HNL-bound flight were the last of the day.
Now that is an extrapolation for a world without public ground transport .
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