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LIH Mar 16, 2019 9:03 am

I have an uncle who is the CEO of a parts manufacturer for the GE engines on the MAX model and saw him for a beer in LA this past week. He's very nervous about the near-term impact of this grounding on their business as that order flow is a pretty big chunk of what's on the run right now. I hadn't realized that the reason the engines moved farther out on the wings was just for fuel efficiency. Really hoping for his sake that they get this resolved soon.

EmailKid Mar 16, 2019 9:21 am


Originally Posted by Weatherboy (Post 30891883)
Does anyone know where UA's Max fleet is now? Unless they ferried them away, I imagine there's a bunch in Hawaii.

From United Airlines Fleet Updates [2019 Edition] thread:


Originally Posted by Bunky (Post 30893745)
......

39M:
UA has ferried aircraft around, so that by the end of the day they will be at:
9 in HOU: 501/502/506/507/508/509/511/513/514
2 in LAX: 503/504
3 in IAH: 505/510/512

Link to post.

FlyngSvyr Mar 16, 2019 10:22 am

Wonder how many SW MAX birds are @ HOU? That might be a reason UA is consolidating there. Centralizing the birds for the roll out of the software fix? That & probably plenty of parking space.

IAH-OIL-TRASH Mar 16, 2019 10:40 am

UA 706 OGG-LAX shows as 739MAX on initial status page, but seat map shows the actual plane being used. Of course, I'm flying OGG-SFO about an hour later on a 777HD in coach. OGG-SFO got the love a couple of days ago :( I already looked at possibility of SDC, but no same-day connection available to final destination.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d98e909b99.jpg

Ditka Mar 16, 2019 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH (Post 30894335)
UA 706 OGG-LAX shows as 739MAX on initial status page, but seat map shows the actual plane being used. Of course, I'm flying OGG-SFO about an hour later on a 777HD in coach. OGG-SFO got the love a couple of days ago :( I already looked at possibility of SDC, but no same-day connection available to final destination.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d98e909b99.jpg

is that really the seating configuration? That’s pretty legit for a 737

bocastephen Mar 16, 2019 3:06 pm


Originally Posted by Ditka (Post 30894759)

is that really the seating configuration? That’s pretty legit for a 737

10 across Y in a 737 only happens if King Kong steps on the fuselage, or Doug Parker is able to make his dreams come true. Otherwise, that looks like a 777-300ER substitution to me.

findark Mar 16, 2019 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 30895040)
10 across Y in a 737 only happens if King Kong steps on the fuselage, or Doug Parker is able to make his dreams come true. Otherwise, that looks like a 777-300ER substitution to me.

It's a 772, but yeah.

IAH-OIL-TRASH Mar 16, 2019 3:52 pm

Meanwhile, OGG- SFO 739MAX tomorrow gets a 738 SFP substitute, which means some First passengers are going to be steaming in coach.

I’m still struck that UA is so short on mid-size planes (752/3) that the 739MAX substitute a couple of times this week between West Coast and Hawaii has been 777s w/ new Polaris seats. It also means these planes aren’t being used where they should be (like on TATL/TPAC routes torturing Business passengers w/ 8-across seating).

wxguy Mar 16, 2019 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH (Post 30895131)
I’m still struck that UA is so short on mid-size planes (752/3) that the 739MAX substitute a couple of times this week between West Coast and Hawaii has been 777s w/ new Polaris seats. It also means these planes aren’t being used where they should be (like on TATL/TPAC routes torturing Business passengers w/ 8-across seating).

There may be a slight surplus of WBs now, given they are about to start new flying and revised WB fleet assignments (including the newly-delivered 787-10s) as of March 30. They can also hold off sending WBs for Polaris conversion for a bit to keep extra frames around.

vanillabean Mar 16, 2019 5:12 pm

Looking for a map of routes for the 737-MAX.

jsloan Mar 16, 2019 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by vanillabean (Post 30895341)
Looking for a map of routes for the 737-MAX.

I don't believe any such map exists. Although UA originally launched them on a limited number of routes, they backed off of that plan and distributed them throughout their network on an ad hoc basis. A given flight could be a MAX one day and a 739 the next.

And, of course, since the MAX planes are grounded, right now the map would be empty. :)

n198ua Mar 17, 2019 12:14 am


Originally Posted by vanillabean (Post 30895341)
Looking for a map of routes for the 737-MAX.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xa73eiyxwe...09.05.pdf?dl=0

That might help....

TravellingMan Mar 17, 2019 11:13 am

Flawed analysis, failed oversight: How Boeing and FAA certified the suspect 737 MAX f
 
http://www.seattletimes.com/business...lion-air-crash

Federal Aviation Administration managers pushed its engineers to delegate wide responsibility for assessing the safety of the 737 MAX to Boeing itself.

Makes you wonder how to trust the FAA to do their jobs (safety of their passengers) when they were primarily focused on helping Boeing meet its deadlines. This is not good for the future of MAX.

Aussienarelle Mar 17, 2019 11:28 am


Originally Posted by TravellingMan (Post 30897257)
http://www.seattletimes.com/business...lion-air-crash

Federal Aviation Administration managers pushed its engineers to delegate wide responsibility for assessing the safety of the 737 MAX to Boeing itself.

Makes you wonder how to trust the FAA to do their jobs (safety of their passengers) when they were primarily focused on helping Boeing meet its deadlines. This is not good for the future of MAX.

There was an NPR radio article earlier this week that provided some interesting insight on the cross pollination of the FAA and Boeing, and the viewpoint within the FAA that Boeing was their customer. The article stressed the good that come from such relationships such as more likely to have an open and honest dialog on some issues.

We, the people, are the government that funds the FAA to provide oversight of the industry to protect the public. I would have thought the customers of the FAA were the flying public not the OEMs and airlines.

mduell Mar 17, 2019 11:46 am


Originally Posted by TravellingMan (Post 30897257)
Federal Aviation Administration managers pushed its engineers to delegate wide responsibility for assessing the safety of the 737 MAX to Boeing itself.

Makes you wonder how to trust the FAA to do their jobs (safety of their passengers) when they were primarily focused on helping Boeing meet its deadlines. This is not good for the future of MAX.

The DER system is standard throughout industry and the western world (e.g. DOA for EASA). Disappointed to see this piece out of that paper.


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