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737 Max grounded by Trump
Wow! Fast reaction when the FAA won’t act swiftly enough.
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Originally Posted by IAmAGerbil
(Post 30882923)
I realize that calling United today is probably not a good idea given that they likely just found out about this action too.
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Originally Posted by IAmAGerbil
(Post 30882923)
]Do I call United or just wait for them to contact me or re-book us?
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Now Boeing is saying they are recommending it to the FAA. What kind of lunacy is going on with the communication between Boeing, the FAA, and Mr. Orange?
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Originally Posted by vkng
(Post 30882955)
Now Boeing is saying they are recommending it to the FAA. What kind of lunacy is going on with the communication between Boeing, the FAA, and Mr. Orange?
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Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 30882639)
So its not me making assumptions, its the entire world minus Elaine Chow and the Tweeter-in-Chief's administration, which has been talking at the CEO level with Boeing....;)
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Originally Posted by JimInOhio
(Post 30882877)
The MAX9 represents something like 1% of UA's mainline fleet and far less than that when you lump in UAX. You really think keeping the planes in the air when the FAA said they could was just a big profit grab? Besides, the order of events is just noise to the general public anyway.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed. |
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 30882827)
The FAA just lost a lot of credibility. If this decision can be politicized, why can't any other? Today is a dark day.
At this point, it's somehow almost better if there is a flaw? Your first scenario, while bad, seems better than your second. I understand the general distaste for government in the current political climate (this is not just a 45 thing, but I digress) but what can people point to as evidence that the FAA is an ineffective regulator? The sudden cynicism over the FAA is a bit alarming, to me. Our aeronautical system has always been pretty apolitical, about as much as a federal agency can get, and the system has always worked pretty well. What's changed? |
Order came out at about 8:30a HST, UA 1273 SFO-OGG pushed about 5 minutes later and looks to be returning to terminal.
Looks like UA is scrambling to swap already. 2nd LAX-OGG looks like it might have been swapped to 738 from 739 Max. There's going to be 4 PO'd F passengers. |
UA missed an opportunity to lead with little cost impact (so few frames fleetwide). |
Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
(Post 30882755)
President grounding 737 Max 8&9s via emergency order as soon as landed. No further take-offs.
Both OGG-LAX flights today are 739 MAX. This is going to disproportionately affect UA's Hawaii/West Coast routes today. 1273 SFO-OGG shows as "taxiing". It'll be interesting to see if they take off and how long order takes to percolate through system. Expect others will follow. UA1016 is about to land in CUN. Will be interesting to see if they are allowed to bring it back. Same with the three that will be in Hawaii. |
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 30882985)
Oh, I agree, but that makes the "we are flying a plane that the rest of the world says is unsafe and has grounded" move all the more jaw dropping stupid. United had worse company (SWA and AA) but they also had less exposure to the plane, and as others have said have slack in their system now.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed. But hey, it's a chance to swipe at UA, and that can't be missed, right??? |
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 30882985)
Oh, I agree, but that makes the "we are flying a plane that the rest of the world says is unsafe and has grounded" move all the more jaw dropping stupid. United had worse company (SWA and AA) but they also had less exposure to the plane, and as others have said have slack in their system now.
In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed. what the crap about united being a follower? If FAA orders something, United complies. There is no need to jump the gun if your entire safety team and you own pilot union believes in the airplane. |
What is interesting is that UA decided to stick to schedule instead of preemptively adjust some of the Max schedule to keep them in the contiguous US where recovery would be easier should such an order come down..
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Good. No way we can have planes that are too complex to fly in the air
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