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tryathlete Mar 13, 2019 1:00 pm

737 Max grounded by Trump
 
Wow! Fast reaction when the FAA won’t act swiftly enough.

3Cforme Mar 13, 2019 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by IAmAGerbil (Post 30882923)
I realize that calling United today is probably not a good idea given that they likely just found out about this action too.

That, and a mess of weather-related flight cancellations in Denver. Give it a few days - and check online for auto rebooking before you call.

jsloan Mar 13, 2019 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by IAmAGerbil (Post 30882923)
]Do I call United or just wait for them to contact me or re-book us?

If the plane is, in fact, grounded, either voluntarily or otherwise, there's an excellent chance that UA will simply swap the scheduled equipment to a 737-900 and you won't need to do anything. I'd give it at least a week before I tried to call UA about it, as it will take some time for that to move through their systems and they will prioritize immediately upcoming flights in their database update.

vkng Mar 13, 2019 1:05 pm

Now Boeing is saying they are recommending it to the FAA. What kind of lunacy is going on with the communication between Boeing, the FAA, and Mr. Orange?


seanp7 Mar 13, 2019 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by vkng (Post 30882955)
Now Boeing is saying they are recommending it to the FAA. What kind of lunacy is going on with the communication between Boeing, the FAA, and Mr. Orange?

Yeah, that Boeing press release is about as trustworthy as one coming from the White House...

txaggiemiles Mar 13, 2019 1:08 pm


Originally Posted by spin88 (Post 30882639)
So its not me making assumptions, its the entire world minus Elaine Chow and the Tweeter-in-Chief's administration, which has been talking at the CEO level with Boeing....;)

This didn't age well.

spin88 Mar 13, 2019 1:09 pm


Originally Posted by JimInOhio (Post 30882877)
The MAX9 represents something like 1% of UA's mainline fleet and far less than that when you lump in UAX. You really think keeping the planes in the air when the FAA said they could was just a big profit grab? Besides, the order of events is just noise to the general public anyway.

Oh, I agree, but that makes the "we are flying a plane that the rest of the world says is unsafe and has grounded" move all the more jaw dropping stupid. United had worse company (SWA and AA) but they also had less exposure to the plane, and as others have said have slack in their system now.

In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.

EWR764 Mar 13, 2019 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by jsloan (Post 30882827)
The FAA just lost a lot of credibility. If this decision can be politicized, why can't any other? Today is a dark day.

At this point, it's somehow almost better if there is a flaw? Your first scenario, while bad, seems better than your second.

Exactly.

I understand the general distaste for government in the current political climate (this is not just a 45 thing, but I digress) but what can people point to as evidence that the FAA is an ineffective regulator? The sudden cynicism over the FAA is a bit alarming, to me.

Our aeronautical system has always been pretty apolitical, about as much as a federal agency can get, and the system has always worked pretty well. What's changed?

IAH-OIL-TRASH Mar 13, 2019 1:13 pm

Order came out at about 8:30a HST, UA 1273 SFO-OGG pushed about 5 minutes later and looks to be returning to terminal.

Looks like UA is scrambling to swap already. 2nd LAX-OGG looks like it might have been swapped to 738 from 739 Max. There's going to be 4 PO'd F passengers.

uastarflyer Mar 13, 2019 1:13 pm

UA missed an opportunity to lead with little cost impact (so few frames fleetwide).

txaggiemiles Mar 13, 2019 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH (Post 30882755)
President grounding 737 Max 8&9s via emergency order as soon as landed. No further take-offs.

Both OGG-LAX flights today are 739 MAX. This is going to disproportionately affect UA's Hawaii/West Coast routes today.

1273 SFO-OGG shows as "taxiing". It'll be interesting to see if they take off and how long order takes to percolate through system.

1772 BOS-IAH returned to gate now with a 2 hour delay - "Unexpected Operational Issue"

Expect others will follow.

UA1016 is about to land in CUN. Will be interesting to see if they are allowed to bring it back. Same with the three that will be in Hawaii.

EWR764 Mar 13, 2019 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by spin88 (Post 30882985)
Oh, I agree, but that makes the "we are flying a plane that the rest of the world says is unsafe and has grounded" move all the more jaw dropping stupid. United had worse company (SWA and AA) but they also had less exposure to the plane, and as others have said have slack in their system now.

In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.

No rational manager of a publicly-traded corporation would commit this kind of asinine hari-kari, especially when the company is likely insured for the risk associated with a federally-mandated grounding of an aircraft type.

But hey, it's a chance to swipe at UA, and that can't be missed, right???

amtrakusa Mar 13, 2019 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by spin88 (Post 30882985)
Oh, I agree, but that makes the "we are flying a plane that the rest of the world says is unsafe and has grounded" move all the more jaw dropping stupid. United had worse company (SWA and AA) but they also had less exposure to the plane, and as others have said have slack in their system now.

In no possible world would any crisis/branding expert ever tell you to fly these planes. No you get ahead of the curve. Instead, United continues to be a follower, focused on something else than how their brand is viewed.

didn't you see the statement coming out of pilot union? they have full confidence in the plane. USA is not some banana republic with 200-hour co-pilot on a 737 doing international trip, or some pilots from certain countries who are afraid to fly or cannot be trusted to fly in case complex automation fails.

what the crap about united being a follower? If FAA orders something, United complies. There is no need to jump the gun if your entire safety team and you own pilot union believes in the airplane.

IAH-OIL-TRASH Mar 13, 2019 1:24 pm

What is interesting is that UA decided to stick to schedule instead of preemptively adjust some of the Max schedule to keep them in the contiguous US where recovery would be easier should such an order come down..

jbone9877 Mar 13, 2019 1:24 pm

Good. No way we can have planes that are too complex to fly in the air


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