ASRS is anonymous by nature, and that anonymity is sacrosanct. The ASRS records for the MAX also shows no reports of inadvertent MCAS activations or similar scenarios (only among US operators), despite analysis the non-aviation news media attempts to put forth.

The FAA considers this among the information it will use to decide whether a grounding is appropriate, but the public pressure is already becoming overwhelming.

I do not understand how anyone can believe the FAA these days is truly independent.

I understand Boeing not wanting the planes grounded they are there to make profits, but the FAA is supposed to protect the flying public. I believe there is too much fraternization between the government agency and the industry that agency is supposed to oversee.

The US (FAA) is not showing themselves to be a world leader for passenger safety IMO.

Good opinion piece in the NY times today:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/o...gtype=Homepage

Thoughtless hyperbole. There isn't a soul here who is wishing or "delighting" in the idea of another crash.

I do NOT trust investigators who have conflicts of interest with the companies they are investigating. That's true for airlines, cereal, and Tickle Me Elmos. @:-)

The only people with selfishness here are the execs at Boeing who stubbornly cling to the idea that, after two similar crashes killing 300 human beings, revenues mean more.

President grounding 737 Max 8&9s via emergency order as soon as landed. No further take-offs.

Both OGG-LAX flights today are 739 MAX. This is going to disproportionately affect UA's Hawaii/West Coast routes today.

1273 SFO-OGG shows as "taxiing". It'll be interesting to see if they take off and how long order takes to percolate through system.

I see it differently. If anything, Boeing should want the planes grounded if they thought there might be anything wrong. The last thing they need, and they know it as well as anyone, is for another accident to happen.

Well, the court of public opinion has finally weighed in & it is now out of the Boeing's hands. Let's hope a thorough investigation can come to a definitive conclusion as to the cause of these aviation catastrophes. Anything less will not do justice to the victims, as well as all involved in the aviation industry and governmental oversight.

Boeing stock price is now in free-fall - how ironic :rolleyes:

One of two things happened: actionable data from the Ethiopian investigation is available which pushes the needle in favor of grounding (really bad), or the FAA caved to public pressure (also a bad outcome, but not a surprise in this day and age).

Either case is highly disturbing, but this tragedy truly creates a no-win situation.

Good call to ground them. Need to see what the issue is here. Safety is the most important!

The reality is that - whatever the investigations ultimately show - any airline that continues to fly an aircraft that the rest of the world has found should not be flown is really damaging its reputation. At this point it is not Just Boeing's reputation which is on the line, its the view that Southwest, American, and United will put safety over profits.

That the airlines continue to fly this plane at this point is just baffling to me.

P.s. Well the FAA stepped in, so now AA,SWA, and UA will not only not get to fly the planes, but they will get no credit from the public for putting safety over $$$. Really, really stupid by all three management teams, who just don't seem to get the big picture.

The FAA just lost a lot of credibility. If this decision can be politicized, why can't any other? Today is a dark day.

At this point, it's somehow almost better if there is a flaw? Your first scenario, while bad, seems better than your second.

Looks like the FAA finally fell in line, and the MAX is grounded worldwide.

Breaking: Trump orders United States 737MAX fleet grounded immediately.