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Originally Posted by Realunited
(Post 30877944)
"These "third world countries" and "third rate airlines" and "poorly trained crews" have been flying 737 NGs and A320s for the past decades without any significant accidents"
Not trying to argue here but this claim is absurdly inaccurate about no accidents
Originally Posted by Realunited
(Post 30877944)
Point 2 about not having time to react is also wrong and any pilot anywhere knows how to react instantly to an uncommanded pitch down (assuming that's even involved in the Ethiopian crash)
Originally Posted by Realunited
(Post 30877944)
Point 3 is true that bad input data can happen but Lion air knew they had a problem with the sensor and did nothing.
Originally Posted by Realunited
(Post 30877944)
Let me add why a 200hr first officer makes a difference. At least in the US, first officers must have at least 1500 hrs and a type rating in the aircraft which means they have been trained and tested (maneuvers and systems knowledge) to the same standards as a captain so their knowledge and skills are invaluable in an emergency situation. Some situations need 2 fully knowledgeable brains to lead to a successful outcome and 200hrs total time is slightly better than a passenger from 32F coming up to offer advise.
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Originally Posted by FlyngSvyr
(Post 30878147)
No one is saying that the FO was flying the aircraft, but it usually takes the teamwork of both pilots to successfully navigate an emergency situation. I don't think anyone is denigrating the pilots in this situation, just pointing out that the it would have been better to have both pilots "seasoned", which might have led to a different outcome regardless if the airplanes control systems were a contributing cause.
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Originally Posted by COSPILOT
(Post 30875324)
There is no logic behind it, but the accident in 1991 here in COS sticks with me. I rarely think about it, unless I’m making the approach from the south. Doesn’t matter about the aircraft type, whether it’s a small single engine, a UAX airplane. I arrived about 30 minutes after the accident as simply a drive by and will never forget it. Lost 2 people that I didn’t know personally, but my siblings did. All of that said, I want nothing to do with the MAX until this is resolved. |
Originally Posted by bhunt
(Post 30878187)
On another board a pilot commented that particular airport is a "Capt only" airport. Not sure what that exactly means.
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The MAX (both -8 and -9) has now been banned by EASA from all European (Common Aviation Area) airspace.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-...rations-europe |
Originally Posted by usbusinesstraveller
(Post 30878252)
The MAX (both -8 and -9) has now been banned by EASA from all European (Common Aviation Area) airspace.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-...rations-europe |
Originally Posted by usbusinesstraveller
(Post 30878252)
The MAX (both -8 and -9) has now been banned by EASA from all European (Common Aviation Area) airspace.
https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-...rations-europe And I highlight again what I posted above from the WaPost, Chinese authorities expressly said they had reports from Chinese pilots of issues consistent with the failure mode suspected in both crashes. A large part of these investigations is identifying other similar events that did not result in crashes. |
Originally Posted by bhunt
(Post 30878187)
On another board a pilot commented that particular airport is a "Capt only" airport. Not sure what that exactly means.
Wouldn't that mean that the copilot shouldn't do takeoffs and landings at that airport? |
Originally Posted by JimInOhio
(Post 30878101)
Maybe I was only guessing but I was under the impression the ET FO had 200 hrs flying for ET, not 200 total hours flying. Has anyone said they think the FO was flying the aircraft?
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I’m surprised UA hasn’t quietly sidelined their 14 Max9. It isn’t a network workhorse like their other 737s. |
Originally Posted by narvik
(Post 30878307)
Not up to speed on all of this, but does this effect UA? And if yes, how and to what extent?
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 30878315)
And I highlight again what I posted above from the WaPost, Chinese authorities expressly said they had reports from Chinese pilots of issues consistent with the failure mode suspected in both crashes. A large part of these investigations is identifying other similar events that did not result in crashes.
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How Many Stability Accidents Has the 737 (all series) Experienced
I remember the 1994 accident of USAir Flight 427 where the 737 fell out of the sky. Was planning to take the flight in 2 days on the PIT-PBI segment. The day I took the non-fatl segment the number was changed to 2427.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_427 |
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 30878407)
UA doesn't fly the MAX in Europe.
Your implicit trust in statements by PRC authorities who are currently engaged in a trade war is noted. If these statements are accurate, those authorities should have acted long ago. |
Originally Posted by BF263533
(Post 30878425)
I remember the 1994 accident of USAir Flight 427 where the 737 fell out of the sky. Was planning to take the flight in 2 days on the PIT-PBI segment. The day I took the non-fatl segment the number was changed to 2427.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_427 |
Originally Posted by BF263533
(Post 30878425)
I remember the 1994 accident of USAir Flight 427 where the 737 fell out of the sky. Was planning to take the flight in 2 days on the PIT-PBI segment. The day I took the non-fatl segment the number was changed to 2427.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAir_Flight_427 |
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