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This would mitigate 14 179-seaters, or the loss of 2,506 seats, with a gain of 19 126-seaters, or a gain of 2,394 seats. Not horrible. One plane short.
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Originally Posted by DenverBrian
(Post 31311768)
This would mitigate 14 179-seaters, or the loss of 2,506 seats, with a gain of 19 126-seaters, or a gain of 2,394 seats. Not horrible. One plane short.
Two reasons. One, it's not 14 planes that UA would need to replace, it's 30 -- according to the fleet site, they were expecting 16 additional MAX deliveries in 2019. Two, it takes months of prep work for a used plane to be refurbished and put into service for UA. By the time these 73Gs are flying in UA livery, either the 737 MAX will be flying alongside them, or some other contingency plan will have been put into place, because this will have done little but stem the bleeding.. I suspect this is simply UA doing what UA does: buy used planes. They've got quite the collection -- 319s, 320s, and 73Gs. |
Originally Posted by CApreppie
(Post 31310984)
Looks like United is hedging that the MAX grounding may not end anytime soon. They announced they are buying 19 used 737-700's to be delivered in December with their earnings info today.
"United did not break out how the grounding, now in its fifth month, affected its bottom line but said it signed an agreement to buy 19 used Boeing 737-700 planes, older jets that it can use to meet growing demand. It expects those planes to be delivered in December." https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/16/unit...estimates.html If other airlines are looking into temporarily leasing or buying 737NG, the used values will certainly go up.
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 31311823)
Not really.
Two reasons. One, it's not 14 planes that UA would need to replace, it's 30 -- according to the fleet site, they were expecting 16 additional MAX deliveries in 2019. Two, it takes months of prep work for a used plane to be refurbished and put into service for UA. By the time these 73Gs are flying in UA livery, either the 737 MAX will be flying alongside them, or some other contingency plan will have been put into place, because this will have done little but stem the bleeding.. I suspect this is simply UA doing what UA does: buy used planes. They've got quite the collection -- 319s, 320s, and 73Gs. |
New York Times:
"The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/17/opinion/boeing-737-max.html |
Originally Posted by lazytom
(Post 31315525)
New York Times:
"The Boeing 737 Max Crisis Is a Leadership Failure" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/17/o...g-737-max.html But this disturbing culture of denial persists today at Boeing, as shown by the revelations following the crashes of two 737 Max 8 aircraft in Indonesia and Ethiopia, which killed 346 people. The company has an institutional reluctance to even examine potential design flaws in its product. |
Apparently the A321neo has issues with it's pitch control computer as well:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ch-ano-459718/ The European Union Aviation Safety Agency has disclosed that the revision follows analysis of the re-engined type's elevator and aileron computer. It has not elaborated on the situation beyond stating that "excessive" pitch could occur under certain conditions and "during specific manoeuvres". |
Originally Posted by Sykes
(Post 31317626)
Apparently the A321neo has issues with it's pitch control computer as well:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ch-ano-459718/ That sounds awfully familiar. |
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 31317656)
The part about issues with excessive pitch causing issues, sounds vaguely familiar (the issue is the limits of safe maneuvering, not a computer that w/o warning puts you into a dive), the Manufacturer modifying the manual to explain the limits and issue, sounds to me to be the opposite of what Boeing did....:rolleyes:
For me (perhaps because of my professional bias as an educator) the training failures of the MAX program are as big a part of the problem/risk as the technology failings. |
Originally Posted by transportprof
(Post 31317672)
For me (perhaps because of my professional bias as an educator) the training failures of the MAX program are as big a part of the problem/risk as the technology failings. |
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 31317656)
...the Manufacturer modifying the manual to explain the limits and issue, sounds to me to be the opposite of what Boeing did....:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Newman55
(Post 31317738)
No, that’s exactly what Boeing did after the first incident.
Whilst this is an issue no doubt, it is not a catastrophic one as has been the case with the 737MAX. With that said, I'm sure time will tell as the A320neo series is arguably a more important aircraft for Airbus than the 737MAX is for Boeing. |
Originally Posted by Newman55
(Post 31317738)
No, that’s exactly what Boeing did after the first incident. http://www.avioesemusicas.com/wp-con...Due-to-AOA.pdf |
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 31317825)
"the Manufacturer modifying the manual to explain the limits and issue" That is what Boeing did? Not until after the first (Lion Air) crash, when it sent out the following:
http://www.avioesemusicas.com/wp-con...Due-to-AOA.pdf It's likely that the only reason that Airbus even identified the A321neo issue is because of increased scrutiny around pitch augmentation systems following the MAX crashes. |
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49026285
Boeing is taking a $4.9bn hit to cover costs related to the worldwide grounding of its 737 Max aircraft. The charge is set to wipe out profits when the world's biggest planemaker posts quarterly results next week. I |
Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 31319795)
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49026285
Boeing is taking a $4.9bn hit to cover costs related to the worldwide grounding of its 737 Max aircraft. The charge is set to wipe out profits when the world's biggest planemaker posts quarterly results next week. I Maybe. |
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