Jan 4, 2021, 1:37 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
This is an archive thread, the archive thread is https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1960195-b737max-cleared-faa-resume-passenger-flights-when-will-ua-max-flights-resume.html
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
Thread Topic
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
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Once again many posters in this thread have forgotten the FT rules and resorted to "Personal attacks, insults, baiting and flaming " and other non-collegial, non-civil discourse. This is not allowed.
Posters appear to be talking at others, talking about others, not discussing the core issues. Repeating the same statements, saying the same thing LOUDER is not civil discourse. These problems are not with one poster, they are not just one point of view, ...
As useful as some discussion here has been, continuing rules violations will lead to suspensions and thread closure. Please think about that before posting.
The purpose of FT is to be an informative forum that, in this case, enables the UA flyer to enhance their travel experience. There are other forums for different types of discussions. This thread was had wide latitude but that latitude is being abused.
Bottom line, if you can not stay within the FT rules and the forum's topic areas, please do not post.
And before posting, ask if you are bringing new contributing information to the discussion -- not just repeating previous points, then please do not post.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
This thread has engendered some strongly felt opinions and a great tendency to wander into many peripherally related topics. By all normal FT moderation standards, this thread would have been permanently closed long ago ( and numerous members receiving disciplinary actions).
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
However, given the importance of the subject, the UA Moderators have tried to host this discussion but odd here as UA is not the top 1 or 2 or 3 for MAX among North America carriers. However, some have allowed their passion and non-UA related opinions to repeatedly disrupt this discussion.
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
Discussion of Boeing's culture or the impact on Boeing's future is not in scope. Nor is comments on restructuring the regulatory process. Neither is the impacts on COVID on the general air industry -- those are not UA specific and are better discussed elsewhere. And for discussion of UA's future, there is a separate thread.
Additionally repeated postings of essentially the same content should not happen nor unnecessarily inflammatory posts. And of course, the rest of FT posting rules apply including discuss the issue and not the posters.
The Moderator team feels there is a reason / need for this thread but it has been exhausting to have to repeated re-focus the discussion -- don't be the reason this thread is permanently closed ( and get yourself in disciplinary problems).
Stick to the relevant topic which is (repeating myself)
The reason for continuing this thread is to inform the UA traveler on the status of the MAX recertification and if / when UA might deploy the MAX aircraft. And UA flyer's thoughts about UA deploying the MAX if that was to happen.
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
United does not fly the 737 MAX 8 that has been involved in two recent crashes, but it does operate the 737 MAX 9.
How to tell if your flight is scheduled to be operated by the MAX 9:
View your reservation or flight status page, either on the web or on the app. United lists the entire aircraft type. Every flight that is scheduled to be on the 737 MAX will say "Boeing 737 MAX 9." If you see anything else -- for example, "Boeing 737-900," it is not scheduled to be a MAX at this time.
The same is true in search results and anywhere else on the United site.
For advanced users: UA uses the three letter IATA identifier 7M9 for the 737 MAX 9.
All 737 MAX aircraft worldwide (MAX 8, MAX 9, and MAX 10) are currently grounded.
B737MAX Recertification - Archive
Mar 11, 2019, 6:16 pm
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Has anyone successfully changed flights from the MAX to another aircraft?
Mar 11, 2019, 6:28 pm
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I do not believe the raw data is altimeter corrected either. IDK if this is part of the instrumentation problem the ET aircraft may have had.
Mar 11, 2019, 6:46 pm
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There is no logic behind it, but the accident in 1991 here in COS sticks with me. I rarely think about it, unless I’m making the approach from the south. Doesn’t matter about the aircraft type, whether it’s a small single engine, a UAX airplane. I arrived about 30 minutes after the accident as simply a drive by and will never forget it. Lost 2 people that I didn’t know personally, but my siblings did.
All of that said, I want nothing to do with the MAX until this is resolved.
All of that said, I want nothing to do with the MAX until this is resolved.
Mar 11, 2019, 7:03 pm
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Looks like AA flight attendant union beat Sara Nelson / UA to the punch:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ty/3130431002/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ty/3130431002/
Mar 11, 2019, 11:03 pm
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Mar 12, 2019, 12:25 am
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Huh? NYT reports it was over 8000 feet when transmissions ceased. Boeing 737 MAX Crash
Altitude fluctuations were recorded shortly after takeoff. The altitude shown is compared with the mean sea level, not the ground level.
Mar 12, 2019, 3:04 am
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This is a brand new type, you'd have to have had a heck of a lot of flights last year to have flown on one more than a hundred times... sure you aren't confusing it with the 737 NG? (-700, -800, -900) Not saying it's impossible, but UA doesn't have very many, nor does AA, so seems a bit unlikely, I guess maybe if you're a SW FA?
Mar 12, 2019, 3:11 am
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Now being reported Singapore bans ALL 737MAX.
Edit to add: And there goes Australia, but just the 8
Edit again, make that “all”:
4min agoAustralia bars 737 MAX jets from entering country
Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has temporarily suspended airlines from flying all Boeing 737 MAX jets to or from Australia.
"This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX to and from Australia," said Shane Carmody CASA CEO.
No Australian airlines fly the 737 MAX, CASA said, but two foreign carriers had previously flown the aircraft into the country -- Singapore's SilkAir and Fiji Airways. SilkAir has been temporarily barred from flying any 737 MAX out of Singapore by the city state's aviation authority. Fiji Airways said Tuesday that it would continue flying its two 737 MAX 8s.
CASA said in a statement it was working with Fiji Airways to minimize disruptions to passengers.
Edit to add: And there goes Australia, but just the 8
Edit again, make that “all”:
4min agoAustralia bars 737 MAX jets from entering country
Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has temporarily suspended airlines from flying all Boeing 737 MAX jets to or from Australia.
"This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX to and from Australia," said Shane Carmody CASA CEO.
No Australian airlines fly the 737 MAX, CASA said, but two foreign carriers had previously flown the aircraft into the country -- Singapore's SilkAir and Fiji Airways. SilkAir has been temporarily barred from flying any 737 MAX out of Singapore by the city state's aviation authority. Fiji Airways said Tuesday that it would continue flying its two 737 MAX 8s.
CASA said in a statement it was working with Fiji Airways to minimize disruptions to passengers.
Last edited by chavala; Mar 12, 2019 at 3:21 am
Mar 12, 2019, 4:22 am
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And Boeing, in purpotedly unrelated timing, has announced it will release a software update for its MCAS system on the MAX within the next few weeks....
Mar 12, 2019, 4:47 am
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Mar 12, 2019, 5:37 am
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I'm considering switching reservations to the 7M9 as a less crowded plane means a better flight experience.
May change my opinion if new events occur. But until now, I don't see any actual evidence amidst the ton of speculation and assumptions.
Some statements above said that our lives lie in the hands of the two people in the front. I would like to add that, in fact, it also lies in the hands of the people who designed and engineered the plane, who maintenance the plane, who refuel the plane, who dispatch the plane, the air traffic controllers, and of those who take care of us in the cabin. I'm sure I'm forgetting many. As we humans are not perfect, big kudos go to the flight computers and flight warning systems that averted many disasters as well and are crucial in maintaining aviation's safety record. Safety is not the sole job of the two people up front, it's teamwork between a lot of people and machines.
May change my opinion if new events occur. But until now, I don't see any actual evidence amidst the ton of speculation and assumptions.
Some statements above said that our lives lie in the hands of the two people in the front. I would like to add that, in fact, it also lies in the hands of the people who designed and engineered the plane, who maintenance the plane, who refuel the plane, who dispatch the plane, the air traffic controllers, and of those who take care of us in the cabin. I'm sure I'm forgetting many. As we humans are not perfect, big kudos go to the flight computers and flight warning systems that averted many disasters as well and are crucial in maintaining aviation's safety record. Safety is not the sole job of the two people up front, it's teamwork between a lot of people and machines.
Mar 12, 2019, 5:42 am
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I was thinking along the same lines. If even the FTers are afraid, this will be an easy UG to clear
Mar 12, 2019, 5:57 am
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Now being reported Singapore bans ALL 737MAX.
Edit to add: And there goes Australia, but just the 8
Edit again, make that “all”:
4min agoAustralia bars 737 MAX jets from entering country
Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has temporarily suspended airlines from flying all Boeing 737 MAX jets to or from Australia.
"This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX to and from Australia," said Shane Carmody CASA CEO.
No Australian airlines fly the 737 MAX, CASA said, but two foreign carriers had previously flown the aircraft into the country -- Singapore's SilkAir and Fiji Airways. SilkAir has been temporarily barred from flying any 737 MAX out of Singapore by the city state's aviation authority. Fiji Airways said Tuesday that it would continue flying its two 737 MAX 8s.
CASA said in a statement it was working with Fiji Airways to minimize disruptions to passengers.
Edit to add: And there goes Australia, but just the 8
Edit again, make that “all”:
4min agoAustralia bars 737 MAX jets from entering country
Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) has temporarily suspended airlines from flying all Boeing 737 MAX jets to or from Australia.
"This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX to and from Australia," said Shane Carmody CASA CEO.
No Australian airlines fly the 737 MAX, CASA said, but two foreign carriers had previously flown the aircraft into the country -- Singapore's SilkAir and Fiji Airways. SilkAir has been temporarily barred from flying any 737 MAX out of Singapore by the city state's aviation authority. Fiji Airways said Tuesday that it would continue flying its two 737 MAX 8s.
CASA said in a statement it was working with Fiji Airways to minimize disruptions to passengers.
With all the reports of bannings and groundings, I suspect that there are lots of technical differences regarding whether takeoffs and landings are forbidden versus permission to overfly and whether only the country's own carriers are affected, which is what I understand to be the case with China.
I also noticed that initial reports said that Argentina had banned/grounded the aircraft type, but later this was reported being a decision from Argentina's national carrier Aerolinas Argentinas (AR).
I also noticed that initial reports said that Argentina had banned/grounded the aircraft type, but later this was reported being a decision from Argentina's national carrier Aerolinas Argentinas (AR).
Mar 12, 2019, 6:14 am
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With all the reports of bannings and groundings, I suspect that there are lots of technical differences regarding whether takeoffs and landings are forbidden versus permission to overfly and whether only the country's own carriers are affected, which is what I understand to be the case with China.
I also noticed that initial reports said that Argentina had banned/grounded the aircraft type, but later this was reported being a decision from Argentina's national carrier Aerolinas Argentinas (AR).
I also noticed that initial reports said that Argentina had banned/grounded the aircraft type, but later this was reported being a decision from Argentina's national carrier Aerolinas Argentinas (AR).