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Debating the value of masks is not appropriate for the UA forum -- we will discuss the UA requirements, enforcement and/or compliance. The value of masks is not UA specific issue (and not airline industry-specific either) and is best discussed elsewhere in a more universal format
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.22 April UA to provide "Social distancing" by blocking middles from advance seat assignments -- note middles can be assigned for those traveling together or at the gate if needed ... example notice and COVID-19: What we're doing to keep customers and employees safe
20 May 2020 United Launches United CleanPlus: A New Standard of Cleanliness and Safety in Partnership with Clorox and Cleveland Clinic ... (post)
"allowing customers to take alternative flights when we expect a flight to operate over 70% capacity." is included in the above announvement
Also NSRA not allowed if above 70%
15 June 2020 United Airlines Strengthens Onboard Mask Policy to Further Protect Passengers and Employees Against COVID-19 Spread ... (post)
July 2020 -- appears UA has dropped blocking pre-assignment of middles, still notifying if 70% booked
20 July -- "Traveling is different now, but we're still committed to your safety What to expect when you travel next", e-mail
22 July -- United Extends Mask Requirements to Airports
17 August 2021 -- TSA to extend transportation mask mandate into January (18, 2022)
WineCountryUA
UA coModerator
.22 April UA to provide "Social distancing" by blocking middles from advance seat assignments -- note middles can be assigned for those traveling together or at the gate if needed ... example notice and COVID-19: What we're doing to keep customers and employees safe
20 May 2020 United Launches United CleanPlus: A New Standard of Cleanliness and Safety in Partnership with Clorox and Cleveland Clinic ... (post)
"allowing customers to take alternative flights when we expect a flight to operate over 70% capacity." is included in the above announvement
Also NSRA not allowed if above 70%
15 June 2020 United Airlines Strengthens Onboard Mask Policy to Further Protect Passengers and Employees Against COVID-19 Spread ... (post)
July 2020 -- appears UA has dropped blocking pre-assignment of middles, still notifying if 70% booked
20 July -- "Traveling is different now, but we're still committed to your safety What to expect when you travel next", e-mail
22 July -- United Extends Mask Requirements to Airports
17 August 2021 -- TSA to extend transportation mask mandate into January (18, 2022)
UA COVID19 precautions: **REQUIRING** mask usage per CDC/DoT
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It appears that UA only blocked these seats on their website / app. I was able to assign 6D and 6E for my clients on a 789 through GDS, while all B/E/L seats shows blocked on UA.
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So how does this seat-blocking work? If blocking is only until T-24 why do all the middle seats show unavailable on the status page for flights that already departed?
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They're not blocked only until T-24. They're blocked for user selection. However, agents can (and will) seat passengers in the blocked seats if necessary.
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If fares were set to make flights profitable at this time, given the load factors that most flights see they would likely be in unaffordable range for most people. But I dont think that is what is happening.
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Either the seats are blocked or they are not - don't say they are and then run flights full, at best it's terrible optics at the wrong time, and it worst, it's outright fraud.
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The devil's in the details. What they announced wasn't a lie, but it was released in such a way that it was easy to get the wrong impression. I suspect that most people glossed over the nuance.
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Obviously this "policy" and its nuance is further evidence of Kirby's complete lack of care or interest in customers - as long as those metrics are hit, who cares how many customers or employees are sick, injured or killed in the process?
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I seriously doubt that any airline really wants to make that comparison. I have a strong suspicion that an empty middle seat doesn't accomplish nearly as much as the airlines want you to believe.
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However, this is all about saying one thing and doing another while hiding behind the small print. Frontier just got caught doing something low and dirty with their "you need to pay for your empty middle seat", where the reaction was so negative and fierce, they had to step back. This is not the time to be playing tricks with customers - first United did it with a rapidly shifting refund policy which is still being unevenly enforced, and now we have yet another anti-customer fiasco with the not-empty-middle seat where people are posting photos online with very negative comments.
It's just more tone-deaf disinterest from Kirby and clear evidence about where his priorities are, vs the customer-forward policies and communication style of Delta and its greater transparency. Running a service business is not about metrics, it's about taking care of customers, employees and showing authenticity, especially when tensions are high.
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Has this been posted from SF press today? Doesn't make me want to fly again anytime soon, even though I miss it terribly.
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...e-15259851.php
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...e-15259851.php
“We’ve overhauled our cleaning and safety procedures and implemented a new boarding and deplaning process to promote social distancing," spokeswoman Kimberly Gibbs said in an email. "Our flight to San Francisco had an additional 25 medical professionals on board who were flying for free to volunteer their time in New York. We’ve provided complimentary flights for more than 1,000 doctors and nurses in the past few weeks alone – and all passengers and employees were asked to wear face coverings, consistent with our new policy.”
It is almost like "you are flying for free, we squeezed you on to get you home and stop complaining". Not good.
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This article is pure elitist hyperbole. This doctor should be complaining about something serious like the fact the he is going to owe NY income tax for his volunteer service. I've been on full flights in the last week and nobody was freaked out by the middle seats being filled. Everybody was masked-up and many were gloved as well. Hand sanitizer and alcohol were in abundance. I didn't eat or drink anything on the flights and my risks were minimal. If you are scared to fly, don't. But, If you "need" to be on the flight, don't come kvetching about it later when other people who need to be on the flight fill the middle seats. Your need is not greater than their need, Mr. Health Professional. Now, if NY wants to charter a flight to fly their volunteer health professionals home, more power to them.

Chief Customer Officer said "We're automatically blocking middle seats to give you enough space on board"
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This.
It isn't about United having gate agents assign middle seats to passengers; it's about United being deliberately vague and cutesy-poo in their press releases where they instill a certain belief in their passengers that proves to be wrong (but correct if one dissects the actual wording of the release with a lawyer's comb).
This is United being United.
It's hard to watch the predictable train wrecks they create all by themselves in slow motion, again....and again....
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I am SHOCKED that anyone would even consider that UNITED would mislead, lie, distort the truth, lead you on, say one thing and do another, read the finest of fine print. OK, I lied, I am not in the least bit shocked if you REALIZED that this is what UNITED does, over and over again. I had been flying them for 30+ years with 2 1/2 MM, and just came to expect this in their corporate mentality.
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Social distancing on United flights
Came to FT looking for articles about this as well as comments from fellow travelers: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-...-middle-seats/
As I make the difficult decision as to when I should start traveling again news like this will play a big part in my decision. When an airline makes bold public statements to instill confidence in their customers, then completely ignores that for profit - I have to decide not to trust them at all and to wait for other safety measures that don't depend on their integrity to protect me.
Also surprised this wasn't a headline article on FT...
As I make the difficult decision as to when I should start traveling again news like this will play a big part in my decision. When an airline makes bold public statements to instill confidence in their customers, then completely ignores that for profit - I have to decide not to trust them at all and to wait for other safety measures that don't depend on their integrity to protect me.
Also surprised this wasn't a headline article on FT...



