CLE-DCA/LGA Discontinued
Jan 18, 2020, 12:10 pm
#32
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do you have a source where Kirby said this? I don’t doubt CLE will be hubs only soon...very sad IMO. It shows that CLE loyal FFs count for nothing in UA management minds, despite loyalty (see reporting on loyal UA CLE frequent flyers here https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...rovements.html )
I would’ve thought UA would keep LGA/DCA especially since ExpressJet has crew and maintenance bases at CLE and flies ERJ145s from CLE to LGA/DCA. Guess ExpressJet is going to end up closing those CLE bases, too.
I would’ve thought UA would keep LGA/DCA especially since ExpressJet has crew and maintenance bases at CLE and flies ERJ145s from CLE to LGA/DCA. Guess ExpressJet is going to end up closing those CLE bases, too.
I try to be objective but EWR and ORD hubs are congested and overcrowded with many delays and cancellations. They should have kept the CLE hub. AA should have left STL alone and DL kept CVG. We need more hubs not less. Happy
Jan 18, 2020, 12:14 pm
#33
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It was unclear from the above but is there talk of closing the UC at CLE?? The would be a huge blow, that is one of if not my most favorite UC. It was an old President Club prior to the merger and is very nice, great staff, quiet, and never too full. I check into that club a couple of times a month and really find it hands down better than almost any UC out there.
They also made some kind of recent changes there regarding flight crews. Something about now being able to base out of CLE so not sure what that would mean as far as UA presence in CLE, perhaps someone knows more about this change.
Jan 18, 2020, 12:15 pm
#34
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I asked United and the PD reporter about this back when UA announced EWR-DCA shuttle like service. That guess turned out to be correct.
More coverage on my blog here. But in summary from United PR:
"This weekend we will be making changes to our Cleveland schedule and routes that serve the New York City and Washington D.C. metro areas by adding larger aircraft to New York/Newark and Washington Dulles respectively, and suspending service into New York LaGuardia and Washington Reagan National Airports. There will be no decrease in the overall number of seats United offers between Cleveland and these cities and in fact, we expect to increase the total number of premium seats in 2020 as a result of these changes."
"Another piece of news we shared today - we shared that we will be upgauging our flights to ORD (in addition to EWR and IAD) resulting in slight overall seat growth but additional premium seats year-over-year. We’ll also expand our current schedule of nonstop flights from CLE to Florida this spring, with new weekend non-stop flights to TPA (Tampa), FLL (Ft. Lauderdale) and RSW (Ft. Myers)."
"The schedule will change over on March 29 to the CLE service to CLE and IAD. Customers who have already purchased travel from CLE will be automatically rebooked to EWR or IAD or connect at Chicago to LGA or DCA."
More coverage on my blog here. But in summary from United PR:
"This weekend we will be making changes to our Cleveland schedule and routes that serve the New York City and Washington D.C. metro areas by adding larger aircraft to New York/Newark and Washington Dulles respectively, and suspending service into New York LaGuardia and Washington Reagan National Airports. There will be no decrease in the overall number of seats United offers between Cleveland and these cities and in fact, we expect to increase the total number of premium seats in 2020 as a result of these changes."
"Another piece of news we shared today - we shared that we will be upgauging our flights to ORD (in addition to EWR and IAD) resulting in slight overall seat growth but additional premium seats year-over-year. We’ll also expand our current schedule of nonstop flights from CLE to Florida this spring, with new weekend non-stop flights to TPA (Tampa), FLL (Ft. Lauderdale) and RSW (Ft. Myers)."
"The schedule will change over on March 29 to the CLE service to CLE and IAD. Customers who have already purchased travel from CLE will be automatically rebooked to EWR or IAD or connect at Chicago to LGA or DCA."
This past summer and fall some days almost all IAD flights were mainline. Flights are always very full. Pulling DC flights they could add a fifth IAD flight. They already cut BOS now LGA and DCA. They promised to keep this service when the hub was closed.
Jan 18, 2020, 12:24 pm
#35
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Why did the Airspace Lounge close.
Jan 18, 2020, 2:40 pm
#36
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Flying regularly in and out of CLE for years I can also attest to this. Upgrades with or without instruments can be surprisingly rare. Last year as GS the SFO-CLE flights I would say I had just over a 50% success rate with instrument applied.
It was unclear from the above but is there talk of closing the UC at CLE?? The would be a huge blow, that is one of if not my most favorite UC. It was an old President Club prior to the merger and is very nice, great staff, quiet, and never too full. I check into that club a couple of times a month and really find it hands down better than almost any UC out there.
They also made some kind of recent changes there regarding flight crews. Something about now being able to base out of CLE so not sure what that would mean as far as UA presence in CLE, perhaps someone knows more about this change.
It was unclear from the above but is there talk of closing the UC at CLE?? The would be a huge blow, that is one of if not my most favorite UC. It was an old President Club prior to the merger and is very nice, great staff, quiet, and never too full. I check into that club a couple of times a month and really find it hands down better than almost any UC out there.
They also made some kind of recent changes there regarding flight crews. Something about now being able to base out of CLE so not sure what that would mean as far as UA presence in CLE, perhaps someone knows more about this change.
Another guess but it's location left it somewhat hidden and I suspect that they were not getting the $$ to justify it.
Jan 18, 2020, 9:42 pm
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So...UA has plenty of time to change their mind if they want to. I wonder if they ever reevaluate the decision to de-hub CLE at all - 10 years is a long time for a bunch of dead money to sit on the books(?)...
Jan 18, 2020, 10:00 pm
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Jan 18, 2020, 11:17 pm
#41
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United has de-hubbed CLE twice. I don't think they're interested in having a hub there.
Jan 19, 2020, 10:17 pm
#42
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The point is United promised to keep service to key destinations. So BOS, DCA, and LGA are gone. United flew these routes 50 years ago. Delta still flies to many key airports from CVG. These cutbacks also may mean employee job loss.
I am not a fan of massive hubs to make airplanes and people and long walks to gates.
Need more medium size hubs. CVG, STL, CLE, RDU, BNA, PIT, MEM should have been kept.
Jan 20, 2020, 5:50 am
#43
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The point is United promised to keep service to key destinations. So BOS, DCA, and LGA are gone. United flew these routes 50 years ago. Delta still flies to many key airports from CVG. These cutbacks also may mean employee job loss.
I am not a fan of massive hubs to make airplanes and people and long walks to gates.
Need more medium size hubs. CVG, STL, CLE, RDU, BNA, PIT, MEM should have been kept.
I am not a fan of massive hubs to make airplanes and people and long walks to gates.
Need more medium size hubs. CVG, STL, CLE, RDU, BNA, PIT, MEM should have been kept.
Jan 20, 2020, 6:03 am
#44
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Flying regularly in and out of CLE for years I can also attest to this. Upgrades with or without instruments can be surprisingly rare. Last year as GS the SFO-CLE flights I would say I had just over a 50% success rate with instrument applied.
It was unclear from the above but is there talk of closing the UC at CLE?? The would be a huge blow, that is one of if not my most favorite UC. It was an old President Club prior to the merger and is very nice, great staff, quiet, and never too full. I check into that club a couple of times a month and really find it hands down better than almost any UC out there.
They also made some kind of recent changes there regarding flight crews. Something about now being able to base out of CLE so not sure what that would mean as far as UA presence in CLE, perhaps someone knows more about this change.
It was unclear from the above but is there talk of closing the UC at CLE?? The would be a huge blow, that is one of if not my most favorite UC. It was an old President Club prior to the merger and is very nice, great staff, quiet, and never too full. I check into that club a couple of times a month and really find it hands down better than almost any UC out there.
They also made some kind of recent changes there regarding flight crews. Something about now being able to base out of CLE so not sure what that would mean as far as UA presence in CLE, perhaps someone knows more about this change.
Jan 20, 2020, 6:34 am
#45
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The point is United promised to keep service to key destinations. So BOS, DCA, and LGA are gone. United flew these routes 50 years ago. Delta still flies to many key airports from CVG. These cutbacks also may mean employee job loss.
I am not a fan of massive hubs to make airplanes and people and long walks to gates.
Need more medium size hubs. CVG, STL, CLE, RDU, BNA, PIT, MEM should have been kept.
I am not a fan of massive hubs to make airplanes and people and long walks to gates.
Need more medium size hubs. CVG, STL, CLE, RDU, BNA, PIT, MEM should have been kept.