CLE-DCA/LGA Discontinued

Old Jan 17, 20, 5:42 am
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CLE-DCA/LGA Discontinued

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CLEVELAND — United Airlines is dropping nonstop service between Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and two business-oriented airports, New York LaGuardia and Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C. The changes take effect March 29.

A spokesman for United said the airline would be adding new capacity to existing service from Cleveland to Newark International Airport and Dulles International Airport. He said there would be no net decrease in total seats to the New York City and Washington, D.C., areas.

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Old Jan 17, 20, 6:01 am
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I wonder at what point they drop any CLE-non hub flights and make it a true spoke, like any other non-hub airport.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 7:07 am
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What’s left besides the hubs?
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Old Jan 17, 20, 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by joeyE View Post
What’s left besides the hubs?
LAX - not really a hub
MCO
FLL
RSW
TPA

Other than MCO, the Florida flights are not daily though there's a rumor RSW might become so.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by joeyE View Post
What’s left besides the hubs?
I think mostly FLA destinations, I saw a flight to CLE when I was just at MCO.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 7:23 am
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Originally Posted by JimInOhio View Post
LAX - not really a hub
MCO
FLL
RSW
TPA

Other than MCO, the Florida flights are not daily though there's a rumor RSW might become so.
LAX is obviously a hub, and that route is not going away, but I digress... Kirby recently said CLE will be “hubs only” but for now the crew bases remain, so it makes sense to continue with some mainline service to high-volume leisure markets. The CLE-DCA/LGA flights are all Express 50-seaters, IIRC.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 7:48 am
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But don't worry, Smisek testified at the merger hearings that CLE would maintain or grow as a hub
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Oops, the person from the thread whose wife was moving to DC for work who was gonna commute CLE DCA weekly has worse options now ....
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Old Jan 17, 20, 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by mherdeg View Post
Oops, the person from the thread whose wife was moving to DC for work who was gonna commute CLE DCA weekly has worse options now ....
A status match to AA should do the trick.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
Kirby recently said CLE will be “hubs only” but for now the crew bases remain, so it makes sense to continue with some mainline service to high-volume leisure markets.
do you have a source where Kirby said this? I don’t doubt CLE will be hubs only soon...very sad IMO. It shows that CLE loyal FFs count for nothing in UA management minds, despite loyalty (see reporting on loyal UA CLE frequent flyers here https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...rovements.html )

I would’ve thought UA would keep LGA/DCA especially since ExpressJet has crew and maintenance bases at CLE and flies ERJ145s from CLE to LGA/DCA. Guess ExpressJet is going to end up closing those CLE bases, too.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 8:17 am
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The CLE-LGA flights are all ERJ145s. I never took them, even when my destination was CLE. I'd rather connect in ORD and collect the PQM. Now for PQF

Not sad to see them go but the CLE-LGA flights were always full based on what I saw.

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Old Jan 17, 20, 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by FreqFlyerCLE View Post
do you have a source where Kirby said this? I don’t doubt CLE will be hubs only soon...very sad IMO. It shows that CLE loyal FFs count for nothing in UA management minds, despite loyalty (see reporting on loyal UA CLE frequent flyers here https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...rovements.html )

I would’ve thought UA would keep LGA/DCA especially since ExpressJet has crew and maintenance bases at CLE and flies ERJ145s from CLE to LGA/DCA. Guess ExpressJet is going to end up closing those CLE bases, too.
The "source" was admittedly hearsay (a widely copied-and-pasted report from a conversation with a pilot late last year... I must have seen this in a dozen places so no attribution) but turned out to be right on the money on several items, in bold with my editorializing in italics:

Saw Kirby in Ops today as I was waiting on my trip. Here’s what I remember:

IAD is now the 2nd most profitable hub. Planning to grow major there. Currently @270 dep a day, planned to go to 450+ dep a day with 7 banks. Because of this planning a major upgrade to terminal and facilities now. Said he is very excited about the potential at IAD due to it not being gate and space limited.

New route from SFO coming out tomorrow {SFO-DUB}. Planning to add gates in SFO {Boarding Areas E/G}.

Not planning to go back into JFK due to no gates and space. Planning to add flights into OAK maybe next year {hearing this too, for next summer OAK-LAX/DEN}.

Talked about MAX. Doesn’t think we’ll see them before the Summer, political now. Many airlines are deferring MAX orders and United is scooping them up. Once it is cleared to fly we will have a lot coming to us. Plan to max out TK getting 737 pilots trained. We have a Max sim coming, one of the few airlines in the world to have one. Been buying up used aircraft to make up for lift right now. Have I think 17 SWA -700’s coming. Some used 319’s coming this year.

Growing IAH this year, going from 600-700 flights this year. Houston is dependent on Latin America. Their economies have been down but coming back. We’re largest carrier into MEX.

Talked about RJ’s and he wants to come to an agreement on our scope.

Said any aircraft that they plan to keep for 4+ years will get a $1.5 Mil interior upgrade over the next several years.

Said he wants to continue and improve on what Oscar started here with better labor and management relations and the company being a place that we want to work at but that passengers talk about like with SWA. (We’ll see how that goes. Get us a contract then).

CLE will only fly to and from a hub. It’s not going to be a base again.

Excited about 321XLR. Said planning to add 11 destinations to Europe and maybe N. Africa.

Said trade war is hurting us in China Still planning to grow some in Asia, but not China. Singapore is our biggest competitor in Asia. Even though a SA partner, probably our smallest partner. Big competitor.

Doing a lot more European flying.

Not getting rid of any 777’s, just moving them around the system. Said the A350 isn’t dead, but they are waiting to see what happens with the 777. The A350 is a. 777 replacement if they get them.

ORD will be a 787 base.
Nothing Earth-shattering, but in retrospect it seems credible.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764 View Post
The "source" was admittedly hearsay (a widely copied-and-pasted report from a conversation with a pilot late last year... I must have seen this in a dozen places so no attribution) but turned out to be right on the money on several items, in bold with my editorializing in italics:



Nothing Earth-shattering, but in retrospect it seems credible.
Thanks for the follow up.
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Old Jan 17, 20, 8:37 am
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I asked United and the PD reporter about this back when UA announced EWR-DCA shuttle like service. That guess turned out to be correct.

More coverage on my blog here. But in summary from United PR:

"This weekend we will be making changes to our Cleveland schedule and routes that serve the New York City and Washington D.C. metro areas by adding larger aircraft to New York/Newark and Washington Dulles respectively, and suspending service into New York LaGuardia and Washington Reagan National Airports. There will be no decrease in the overall number of seats United offers between Cleveland and these cities and in fact, we expect to increase the total number of premium seats in 2020 as a result of these changes."

"Another piece of news we shared today - we shared that we will be upgauging our flights to ORD (in addition to EWR and IAD) resulting in slight overall seat growth but additional premium seats year-over-year. We’ll also expand our current schedule of nonstop flights from CLE to Florida this spring, with new weekend non-stop flights to TPA (Tampa), FLL (Ft. Lauderdale) and RSW (Ft. Myers)."

"The schedule will change over on March 29 to the CLE service to CLE and IAD. Customers who have already purchased travel from CLE will be automatically rebooked to EWR or IAD or connect at Chicago to LGA or DCA."
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Old Jan 17, 20, 8:48 am
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hmm strange situation
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