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margarita girl Jan 5, 2020 10:44 am

Not that hard!
 
I have now booked enough tickets to get 24,083 PQPs. Total spend is C$14.7K = US$11.3K and everything is in biz or first class, or is upgradeable. Because I was exempt from PQD requirement, some of these partner flights were booked before the changes were announced, so no change in my buying behavior. This is what I have:

SQ JFK-SIN-JFK D class (with convoluted routing)
TK YUL-BKK-YUL J class
UA YYZ-HNL-YYZ P class (bulk fare)
UA YYZ-SIN-YYZ W class (bulk fare)
LH MXP-PVG-MXP A class
UA YVR-HKG-YVR B/R class (bulk fare)

All these "deals" were posted on FT at one point or another. I admit that it helps that I can go just about anywhere I feel like.

And I'm not done booking. I go to HNL at least twice per year, sometimes up to 4 times. :)

under2100 Jan 5, 2020 10:47 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 31910679)
This is becoming absurd: looks like I'll have banked approximately 10000 PQP by 2nd of February with only $2000 spend with UA, and making an effort to book away from United as much as possible.

How is this helping United?? :confused:


I'm now in full: let's-spend-as-little-as-possible-with-UA-but-still-get-1K-for-2021 mode! :cool:

I'm curious: are you not worried that if United slash the conversion rate before you travel, then you might lose a lot? E.g. suppose they say, from 1 March, the PQP conversion rates will be /24 instead of /6 ... So if you book a bunch of travel perhaps several months in the future, specifically for the purpose of accruing more PQP, you might end up worse off than had you booked direct with United and resigned yourself to spending real money. They didn't seem to give much headsup to the whole PQM vs PQP change last fall. I don't suppose it will happen in a week or even a month, but I'd be nervous of arranging trips for the summer.

Repooc17 Jan 5, 2020 10:47 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 31911607)
Premium Fare Deals is your friend.

Look for Star Alliance: there's LX/LH (ARN-PEK, ARN-BKK, or ARN-HKG) R/T in business for ~ U$1400 right now.

Great for someone based out of the Nordics. With most UA members in the US (and North America), the cost of positioning flights could easily move the needle above $2K all-in. By then, you could get a similar fare ex-US direct to Asia without additional risks, time, and effort.

EDIT:


Originally Posted by margarita girl (Post 31911702)
SQ JFK-SIN-JFK D class (with convoluted routing)

I have this fare too I am traveling on later this month. I am crediting to AS, however. No bonuses with D fares for either program, but I can get more value on a TPAC award through AS than UA.

Coincidentally, I flew the SIN-EWR nonstop flight exactly a year ago as the upcoming fare between JFK and SIN.

margarita girl Jan 5, 2020 11:10 am


Originally Posted by Repooc17 (Post 31911709)

I have this fare too I am traveling on later this month. I am crediting to AS, however. No bonuses with D fares for either program, but I can get more value on a TPAC award through AS than UA.

Coincidentally, I flew the SIN-EWR nonstop flight exactly a year ago as the upcoming fare between JFK and SIN.

I find AS miles difficult to use out of YYZ because AS does not allow combining partners. I refuse to book BA awards on over water redemptions due to their ridiculous scam charges. UA miles OTOH are very easy to use. Even with the changes on award tickets, I've been able to get to Europe for 60K miles or Asia for 80-90K miles. Naturally, it requires constant monitoring of flight availability and changing my tickets (for free thanks to 1K status) until I get what I need. So far it's working for me.

I got in on the AMD-SIN-EWR fare last year too. :)

kb1992 Jan 5, 2020 11:25 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 31911607)
Premium Fare Deals is your friend.

Look for Star Alliance: there's LX/LH (ARN-PEK, ARN-BKK, or ARN-HKG) R/T in business for ~ U$1400 right now.



Originally Posted by margarita girl (Post 31911702)
I have now booked enough tickets to get 24,083 PQPs. Total spend is C$14.7K = US$11.3K and everything is in biz or first class, or is upgradeable. Because I was exempt from PQD requirement, some of these partner flights were booked before the changes were announced, so no change in my buying behavior. This is what I have:

SQ JFK-SIN-JFK D class (with convoluted routing)
TK YUL-BKK-YUL J class
UA YYZ-HNL-YYZ P class (bulk fare)
UA YYZ-SIN-YYZ W class (bulk fare)
LH MXP-PVG-MXP A class
UA YVR-HKG-YVR B/R class (bulk fare)

All these "deals" were posted on FT at one point or another. I admit that it helps that I can go just about anywhere I feel like.

And I'm not done booking. I go to HNL at least twice per year, sometimes up to 4 times. :)

While I applaud your diligence and creativity to reach 24000 PQP by only spending $11000, I am afraid that

1) Vast majority, 99%+ of MP members won't able to do that. It's simply unrealistic.

2) It won't be too long before UA adjusts partner PQP earnings.

Your scheme looks brilliant, but unfortunately only a tiny fraction of people can do.

bluedemon211 Jan 5, 2020 12:00 pm

I have a high level of confidence that UA is well aware of the "loophole". They are fine with it because a) very few people can really take advantage due to location/need for positioning flights, b) they are still generating revenue and not having to actually support us flying on non-UA metal. Ultimately like anything else they will adjust (most likely the factor they divide by) to make it less attractive. In the end, personally I won't seek out these options simply because my flight pattern from a non-hub makes the positioning very time consuming and expensive. Also, flying non-UA metal is counterproductive to my goal of making lifetime 1K.

PsiFighter37 Jan 5, 2020 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 31911570)
While I don't think they'll shut it down, they will definitely adjust the earning rates. Probably they'll also favor JV flights in some way so that they are directly receiving revenue, too.

They already favor JV flights in some manner, as you divide earned RDM by 5 instead of 6. I don’t think there is much whittling down from the current list.

Tommys888 Jan 5, 2020 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by margarita girl (Post 31911702)
I have now booked enough tickets to get 24,083 PQPs. Total spend is C$14.7K = US$11.3K and everything is in biz or first class, or is upgradeable. Because I was exempt from PQD requirement, some of these partner flights were booked before the changes were announced, so no change in my buying behavior. This is what I have:

SQ JFK-SIN-JFK D class (with convoluted routing)
TK YUL-BKK-YUL J class
UA YYZ-HNL-YYZ P class (bulk fare)
UA YYZ-SIN-YYZ W class (bulk fare)
LH MXP-PVG-MXP A class
UA YVR-HKG-YVR B/R class (bulk fare)

All these "deals" were posted on FT at one point or another. I admit that it helps that I can go just about anywhere I feel like.

And I'm not done booking. I go to HNL at least twice per year, sometimes up to 4 times. :)

I have to say that it is really ambitious... but how are you going to get to New York, Milan etc. from Canada? Buying separate flight tickets?

margarita girl Jan 5, 2020 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by Tommys888 (Post 31912211)
I have to say that it is really ambitious... but how are you going to get to New York, Milan etc. from Canada? Buying separate flight tickets?

YYZ-JFK is only 5000 DL miles.
YYZ-MXP is 60K UA miles or 57.5K AC miles in biz class (or 30K miles in economy), but that ticket isn't until May, so lots of time for promo fares to come along.
YYZ-YUL is cheap on AC when they have a sale (about C$140 each way).
I'm thinking of going to HNL after YVR.

I rarely have a trip that doesn't involve 7-8 tickets pieced together (HNL being the exception). I buy good travel insurance. :)

cricketer Jan 5, 2020 1:50 pm

I have about 11K PQP booked for the year, but I still have no plan to explicitly aim or plan for 1K. If I get there, it will be because I happened to fly enough on the right routes. I'm committed to just choosing what works for me.

With that said, with the job change I'm considering, 2 of my 3 likely options will probably ensure I get there. One will entail pretty regular domestic travel, which will be on UA out of SFO, and another will have a couple of trips a year to India in biz. Either will get me over the line this year at least.

Also important to note that in the last 10-12 years there have been a few times I thought I was no chance of 1K and life just intervened in my favour (in this regard) every single time. So if you're betting on me....

mr8 Jan 5, 2020 5:41 pm

I'm sure UA will start doing some mileplay promotions to earn X,000 PQP by flying X number of times in some random category to appease all the people on the fence..

DELee Jan 5, 2020 6:00 pm


Originally Posted by mr8 (Post 31913023)
I'm sure UA will start doing some mileplay promotions to earn X,000 PQP by flying X number of times in some random category to appease all the people on the fence..

And, given past history if UA marketeering folks get involved later in the year, remember this thread:

UA doing some targetted MP up-status changes [May, 10, 2016]

David

notSoFreqFlyr20 Jan 7, 2020 9:38 am


Originally Posted by margarita girl (Post 31912281)
YYZ-JFK is only 5000 DL miles.
YYZ-MXP is 60K UA miles or 57.5K AC miles in biz class (or 30K miles in economy), but that ticket isn't until May, so lots of time for promo fares to come along.
YYZ-YUL is cheap on AC when they have a sale (about C$140 each way).
I'm thinking of going to HNL after YVR.

I rarely have a trip that doesn't involve 7-8 tickets pieced together (HNL being the exception). I buy good travel insurance. :)

This is very ambitious and impressive!
I gotta keep an eye on those fares.

regalkit Jan 28, 2020 10:38 am

1K with partner airlines
 
As United gives miles as well as status with partner airlines I have a question i hope someone can help me with. A UA rt flight from Toronto to TLV gets me 650 PQP's. However, if I reserve an Air Canada flight on the United website I'd get 1158 PQP's. That's almost double. My question is being that I usually buy my airline tickets with either Amex or Chase points, do you think I can get the Air Canada flight and still get my PQP'S? I'd love to hold on to my 1K status for 2020. Thanks.

Silver Fox Jan 28, 2020 11:04 am


Originally Posted by regalkit (Post 32004382)
As United gives miles as well as status with partner airlines I have a question i hope someone can help me with. A UA rt flight from Toronto to TLV gets me 650 PQP's. However, if I reserve an Air Canada flight on the United website I'd get 1158 PQP's. That's almost double. My question is being that I usually buy my airline tickets with either Amex or Chase points, do you think I can get the Air Canada flight and still get my PQP'S? I'd love to hold on to my 1K status for 2020. Thanks.

I assume you mean 2021?


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