Reconsidering Chase MP Cards due to 2020 FF Changes
Oct 17, 2019, 10:36 am
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Reconsidering Chase MP Cards due to 2020 FF Changes
Hi
Please merge this if there is a more appropriate thread - but I didn't see anything focused on this issue.
Given the changes in the 2020 plan I'm likely moving my spend off of my Chase UA card (I have the MP Select card). Assuming you are dissatisfied with the changes in the FF program what is everyone doing.
My previous go to card was SPG, but since that became Bonvoy I moved to UA Chase. Now that I know I won't make 1k it really doesn't make much sense to focus my spend into UA's program.
I would welcome learning what options others are considering or if you are just going to stick with the UA card.
Please merge this if there is a more appropriate thread - but I didn't see anything focused on this issue.
Given the changes in the 2020 plan I'm likely moving my spend off of my Chase UA card (I have the MP Select card). Assuming you are dissatisfied with the changes in the FF program what is everyone doing.
My previous go to card was SPG, but since that became Bonvoy I moved to UA Chase. Now that I know I won't make 1k it really doesn't make much sense to focus my spend into UA's program.
I would welcome learning what options others are considering or if you are just going to stick with the UA card.
Oct 17, 2019, 10:46 am
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I am planning on doing the same and I created a related thread earlier (this one's about when to cancel though, not about what cards to move to): When to Cancel a United Credit Card?
As for what card I'm going to move to, I already have it: the CSR. I might get a CFU to complement the CSR, so that a lot of the non-bonus spend I was putting on the UA card can now become UR points.
As for what card I'm going to move to, I already have it: the CSR. I might get a CFU to complement the CSR, so that a lot of the non-bonus spend I was putting on the UA card can now become UR points.
Oct 17, 2019, 10:49 am
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Do you value the status boosts and/or formerly the PQD waiver?
These threads confuse me because, for years now, the PQD waiver was literally the only reason to put even a dollar of spend on a Chase/UA card after meeting the signup bonus. There are better cards for earning value for every single kind of purchase, including UA tickets. There are better cards for earning UA miles for every single kind of purchase. None of this has been changed by the MP program announcements. About the only case I can see spending on a UA card being +EV is a very narrow one where the other benefits of the card like bags are useful (so pax has no status) and you spend little enough that the imputed $150 AF of another card eliminates any marginal benefits.
These threads confuse me because, for years now, the PQD waiver was literally the only reason to put even a dollar of spend on a Chase/UA card after meeting the signup bonus. There are better cards for earning value for every single kind of purchase, including UA tickets. There are better cards for earning UA miles for every single kind of purchase. None of this has been changed by the MP program announcements. About the only case I can see spending on a UA card being +EV is a very narrow one where the other benefits of the card like bags are useful (so pax has no status) and you spend little enough that the imputed $150 AF of another card eliminates any marginal benefits.
Oct 17, 2019, 10:53 am
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Ok, I'll bite. If someone is 1K and thus the PQD requirement has not been waived w/$25K of spend, why in the world would anyone put any spend on any UA card to begin with? There are far, far more generous cards out there for rewarding travel spend.
I mean even if you want UA miles as currency, spend on several of the Chase UR cards would bonus all travel spend (not just airfare) at a rate higher than most of the UA cards, and then you could transfer those UR points to UA if you need UA miles.
I assumed the only reason anyone would put any spend on an UA card would be for the PQD waiver, which obviously doesn't apply to 1Ks
Regards
I mean even if you want UA miles as currency, spend on several of the Chase UR cards would bonus all travel spend (not just airfare) at a rate higher than most of the UA cards, and then you could transfer those UR points to UA if you need UA miles.
I assumed the only reason anyone would put any spend on an UA card would be for the PQD waiver, which obviously doesn't apply to 1Ks
Regards
Oct 17, 2019, 11:08 am
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Ok, I'll bite. If someone is 1K and thus the PQD requirement has not been waived w/$25K of spend, why in the world would anyone put any spend on any UA card to begin with? There are far, far more generous cards out there for rewarding travel spend.
I mean even if you want UA miles as currency, spend on several of the Chase UR cards would bonus all travel spend (not just airfare) at a rate higher than most of the UA cards, and then you could transfer those UR points to UA if you need UA miles.
I assumed the only reason anyone would put any spend on an UA card would be for the PQD waiver, which obviously doesn't apply to 1Ks
Regards
I mean even if you want UA miles as currency, spend on several of the Chase UR cards would bonus all travel spend (not just airfare) at a rate higher than most of the UA cards, and then you could transfer those UR points to UA if you need UA miles.
I assumed the only reason anyone would put any spend on an UA card would be for the PQD waiver, which obviously doesn't apply to 1Ks
Regards
Oct 17, 2019, 11:09 am
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Oct 17, 2019, 11:10 am
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No-Brainer.
If you spend a significant amount on travel, the Chase Sapphire Reserve (CSR) is the only way to go. You earn 3 points for every travel dollar you spend, which are transferable to UA and other airlines and Hyatt, etc. at a 1:1 conversion rate. In addition, booking through their travel portal will net you an effective 4.5 cents per dollar cash rebate on all of your travel spend, so long as you use that credit on travel expenses.
Oct 17, 2019, 11:11 am
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In almost all cases, airline credit cards (not just United's) are just a horrible ROI for spend, unless that spend is getting something waived.
Regards
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Oct 17, 2019, 11:28 am
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If you spend a significant amount on travel, the Chase Sapphire Reserve (CSR) is the only way to go. You earn 3 points for every travel dollar you spend, which are transferable to UA and other airlines and Hyatt, etc. at a 1:1 conversion rate. In addition, booking through their travel portal will net you an effective 4.5 cents per dollar cash rebate on all of your travel spend, so long as you use that credit on travel expenses.
Oct 17, 2019, 11:29 am
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Oct 17, 2019, 11:30 am
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Ah, thanks. I have the Amex Plat which I keep exclusively for Centurion Lounge. I guess I should compare that with Chase.
Oct 17, 2019, 12:10 pm
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CSR = Chase Sapphire Reserve
CFU = Chase Freedom Unlimited
CSR earns 3 Ultimate Rewards points/$ spent on any travel (including UA tickets) and dining and 1 UR point/$ on everything else. CFU earns 1.5 UR points/$ on everything. You can transfer points from CFU to CSR. Ultimate Rewards points can be transferred to United miles at a 1:1 ratio, meaning that the CSR basically earns 3 miles/$ on UA tickets (you can also transfer to many other travel partner programs too). So even though I have a MileagePlus Explorer card (for PQD waiver, which is ending next year, hence why I'm going to cancel it), I never purchase UA tickets with it. They either go on the CSR or on the Amex Platinum (5 MR points/$ on airline spend).
CFU = Chase Freedom Unlimited
CSR earns 3 Ultimate Rewards points/$ spent on any travel (including UA tickets) and dining and 1 UR point/$ on everything else. CFU earns 1.5 UR points/$ on everything. You can transfer points from CFU to CSR. Ultimate Rewards points can be transferred to United miles at a 1:1 ratio, meaning that the CSR basically earns 3 miles/$ on UA tickets (you can also transfer to many other travel partner programs too). So even though I have a MileagePlus Explorer card (for PQD waiver, which is ending next year, hence why I'm going to cancel it), I never purchase UA tickets with it. They either go on the CSR or on the Amex Platinum (5 MR points/$ on airline spend).
Oct 17, 2019, 12:27 pm
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The Priority Pass benefit was unimportant to me when I signed-up but has since become valuable to me. I actually prefer the PP lounges in IAH, or free meals at Landry's Seafood House, to the overcrowded, mundane UCs.
Also, the rental car coverage is the best I've ever experienced with a CC.
Oct 17, 2019, 12:31 pm
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I disagree. It's for someone who travels at least once a year. A single airline ticket or hotel for 2 nights will easily use up the travel credit. The Amex Platinum on the other hand...that's a card for people who don't mind jumping through hoops to use benefits.