View Poll Results: Will you switch frequent flyer programs / what will you switch to?
Stay with UA (or join UA - please post)



233
42.75%
Change to American Airlines



28
5.14%
Change to Delta Air Lines



44
8.07%
Change to Alaska Airlines



28
5.14%
Change to non-US Star Alliance (please post which program)



53
9.72%
Change to non-US Oneworld (please post which program)



10
1.83%
Change to non-US SkyTeam (please post which program)



2
0.37%
Split alliances / programs (please post which programs)



28
5.14%
Cease preference for any program



91
16.70%
Retain no preference for any program



28
5.14%
Voters: 545. You may not vote on this poll
2020 MP changes — Will you switch loyalty programs? What program will you switch to?
#301
FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Klagetoh
Posts: 24,193
How many people have officially dumped UA due to the new requirements? I did - reluctantly. I suppose I could have hit 1k next year but I am becoming worried that I am investing my loyalty with a company that pretty much hates us it appears.
So, how many have officially moved on? Anyone else? I guess I am curious if UA will actually see any significant consequences for their choices.
Mods - if this fits somewhere else please move. I take no offense.
So, how many have officially moved on? Anyone else? I guess I am curious if UA will actually see any significant consequences for their choices.
Mods - if this fits somewhere else please move. I take no offense.

But I'm not "dumping" them until I use up the 400,000 RDM I've accumulated over the years.
#302




Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,067
I haven't done anything "official" like go before a notary or a judge, but I do intend to move my revenue flights to Delta Air Lines™ for 2020. I have nothing against United® and I've done well as a Premier Gold℠, but the new conditions (especially the elimination of the cc PQD waiver) make it impossible for me to achieve even Premier Silver℠ status on United® in the future.
But I'm not "dumping" them until I use up the 400,000 RDM I've accumulated over the years.
But I'm not "dumping" them until I use up the 400,000 RDM I've accumulated over the years.
UA losing revenue would qualify as consequences. Its a shame really - and I kind of feel for UA. They cant test this stuff. I am just waiting for the first airline netflix moment where they shoot themselves roundly in the foot and have a material impact on their own operating results.
#303




Join Date: May 2012
Location: NYC
Posts: 74
The cc PQD waiver is a dealbreaker for me too as a Silver and I'm looking into transferring to the Sapphire Reserve and Ultimate Rewards for miles accrual, while using the miles I have. I'm wondering though - is there ANY program that, as a silver, is any better? The United Club has gone downhill as well, so I'm not that concerned about losing access - I have the AMEX clubs and prefer them anyway. Where would you go? I can do any of the NYC airports, though I avoid LGA like the plague - who knows, maybe it'll improve when they're done (HAH!) with the never ending construction.
#304
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Durham, NC (RDU/GSO/CLT)
Programs: AA EXP/MM, DL GM, UA Platinum, HH DIA, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC
Posts: 33,856
Living in RDU and doing a lot of business travel in the southeast, United is already my number three program. They just aren't competitive for me here compared to AA and DL. Furthermore, I only made Platinum last year thanks to a really good RDU-PEK fare. This year I'll likely only make Gold (thanks P fare PQM getting cut) and to be honest I've seen so few benefits in Platinum over Gold that that isn't really a big deal.
I will, however, strive to keep Gold because I go to Europe a half dozen times a year and Star Gold is so valuable there.
I will, however, strive to keep Gold because I go to Europe a half dozen times a year and Star Gold is so valuable there.
#305




Join Date: May 2001
Location: TPA 50%/BKK 30%/HKG 20%
Programs: UA MM - AF G – TK G – Hilton D – Marriott G – IHG P
Posts: 1,993
Leaving MileagePlus — Where should I go?
I am a 1K that will be moving away from MileagePlus beginning sometime next year and am looking for recommendations about other programs. (I looked for a forum about "which program should I join?" but it doesn't exist.
)
This is my situation:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/star-alliance-credit-flights-elite
Would love to hear any suggestions regarding what program(s) I should switch to? Also which programs to avoid.
)This is my situation:
- I am at 950,000 miles on UA. I'll keep crediting to MP until I reach 1,000,000 by midyear and then I'll be looking at something else.
- I will continue to fly to Asia UA until I use up my 4 GPU equivalents next year. I never have a problem using them up because I'm flexible.
- I'm leaning toward StarAlliance--at least for next year--because I'll be flying on UA as I burn through the upgrade points. I also have *G.
- I fly mostly to SE Asia/HK/China about 3-4 times per year. Been using W+ fares on UA and upgrading with GPUs.
- I fly around within SE Asia a LOT as I live over there half the year.
- I fly to South America from the US 1 time per year, usually in paid business class.
- I usually take another 1-2 international trips to somewhere I haven't been--that's mostly Africa/Scandinavia/Middle East/Northeast Europe. (This makes Turkish interesting due to their huge number of routes to atypical locations.)
- I usually have 2-3 domestic trips in the US.
- My main goal would be Y to J upgrades. Free flights would be second to that.
- I know that First Class Flyer has strategies to buy miles. Never much considered this before as I was focused on status, but might now.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/star-alliance-credit-flights-elite
Would love to hear any suggestions regarding what program(s) I should switch to? Also which programs to avoid.
Last edited by TomA; Nov 9, 2019 at 10:46 pm
#306


Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: ZQN
Posts: 3,238
I am a 1K that will be moving away from MileagePlus beginning sometime next year and am looking for recommendations about other programs. (I looked for a forum about "which program should I join?" but it doesn't exist.
)
This is my situation:
https://thepointsguy.com/news/star-alliance-credit-flights-elite
Would love to hear any suggestions regarding what program(s) I should switch to? Also which programs to avoid.
)This is my situation:
- I am at 950,000 miles on UA. I'll keep crediting to MP until I reach 1,000,000 by midyear and then I'll be looking at something else.
- I will fly on to Asia UA until I use up my 4 GPU equivalents next year. I never have a problem using them up because I'm flexible.
- I'm leaning toward StarAlliance--at least for next year--because I'll be flying on UA as I burn through the upgrade points. I also have *G.
- I fly mostly to SE Asia/HK/China about 3-4 times per year. Been using W+ fares on UA and upgrading with GPUs.
- I fly around within SE Asia a LOT as I live over there half the year.
- I fly to South America from the US 1 time per year, usually in paid business class.
- I usually take another 1-2 international trips to somewhere I haven't been--that's mostly Africa/Scandinavia/Middle East/Northeast Europe. (This makes Turkish interesting due to their huge number of routes to atypical locations.)
- I usually have 2-3 domestic trips in the US.
- My main goal would be Y to J upgrades. Free flights would be second to that.
- I know that First Class Flyer has strategies to buy miles. Never much considered this before as I was focused on status, but might now.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/star-alliance-credit-flights-elite
Would love to hear any suggestions regarding what program(s) I should switch to? Also which programs to avoid.
With almost Star Gold lifetime, you need to ask yourself what exactly you want after you reach 1MM. The goals and expectations you specified did show LH and TK are your best bet. Keep in mind that on NH and LH, you can use the GPUs to upgrade to Business on their metal.
#307
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend




Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AA EXP; UA 1MM & PP; Marriott AMB; Hyatt Globalist; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 62,389
Y to J upgrades on long-haul international are mostly a US legacy thing. Very few foreign carriers offer them, and if they do, it's only at tier levels that are at least as difficult as 1K to achieve (e.g., LH HON or CX Diamond). So if that's a key criterion, you're unlikely to find a better program than UA.
#308




Join Date: May 2001
Location: TPA 50%/BKK 30%/HKG 20%
Programs: UA MM - AF G – TK G – Hilton D – Marriott G – IHG P
Posts: 1,993
Where should you go to? Your wallet, and your wallet only.
With almost Star Gold lifetime, you need to ask yourself what exactly you want after you reach 1MM. The goals and expectations you specified did show LH and TK are your best bet. Keep in mind that on NH and LH, you can use the GPUs to upgrade to Business on their metal.
With almost Star Gold lifetime, you need to ask yourself what exactly you want after you reach 1MM. The goals and expectations you specified did show LH and TK are your best bet. Keep in mind that on NH and LH, you can use the GPUs to upgrade to Business on their metal.
Y to J upgrades on long-haul international are mostly a US legacy thing. Very few foreign carriers offer them, and if they do, it's only at tier levels that are at least as difficult as 1K to achieve (e.g., LH HON or CX Diamond). So if that's a key criterion, you're unlikely to find a better program than UA.
Also on UA 1 mile flown is meaningless since you earn award miles on money alone. Their earnings are already low at 11X. They are totally not worth bothering with at the Gold rate—especially now that there are no award charts either. LOL I only hung around with them the last few years for the status.
But, yes, I was wondering about this issue. And that's a reason I'm thinking about the First Class Flyer route for stuff I'm not reimbursed for.
But when I am reimbursed, I'm not sure I can explain that strategy. LOL
I know EK offers Y to J for miles. I've used them a few times.
Last edited by TomA; Nov 9, 2019 at 10:45 pm
#309
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend




Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AA EXP; UA 1MM & PP; Marriott AMB; Hyatt Globalist; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 62,389
I've been buying J on various carriers (including CX, JL, EK, and SQ) and crediting to AS. It's a phenomenal deal. You earn a boatload of miles, and get free award changes with MVP Gold or higher. The TPAC redemption options are very good. Flying JL F next week for 70k.
Many carriers offer some version of that. Not really a status benefit.
Many carriers offer some version of that. Not really a status benefit.
#310




Join Date: May 2001
Location: TPA 50%/BKK 30%/HKG 20%
Programs: UA MM - AF G – TK G – Hilton D – Marriott G – IHG P
Posts: 1,993
True, but depends on how easy the miles are to get.
This. Get an AMEX Centurion card and Priority Pass, and you will virtually never be without a lounge to frequent. LH, LX, OS, SK all have a form of bidding for an upgrade which I've found to be superior to playing the W fare lottery on UA. On TK, KL and BA, unsold C seats are often available at T-24 for an attractive price. I've been flying all these airlines over the past 2 (almost 3) years - along with UA - and it's on UA where I sit in the back most often.
While I'm not a member of Miles and More, as a lifetime UA *G I'm treated better on LH than on UA. YMMV, of course.
While I'm not a member of Miles and More, as a lifetime UA *G I'm treated better on LH than on UA. YMMV, of course.
Where do you credit your *A miles? Still UA?
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 10, 2019 at 12:06 am Reason: merged consecutive posts by same member
#312




Join Date: May 2001
Location: TPA 50%/BKK 30%/HKG 20%
Programs: UA MM - AF G – TK G – Hilton D – Marriott G – IHG P
Posts: 1,993
Wooo Hooo.
I’m a free agent now! lol
I will buy the cheapest ticket. To make up for the lost lounge access, I will probably apply for an AMEX Platinum.
Too bad I won’t requalify for 1K
They just added spend requirements for an overseas resident.
For the price of 1K, I might as well buy full P discount business class tickets when I need them.
The upgrades so far have been useless.
I still have 4 GPUs in my account.
I will probably credit my spend to AC from now on just so I can get *G.
(It’s only $6kCAD spend for *G)
I’m a free agent now! lol
I will buy the cheapest ticket. To make up for the lost lounge access, I will probably apply for an AMEX Platinum.
Too bad I won’t requalify for 1K
They just added spend requirements for an overseas resident.
For the price of 1K, I might as well buy full P discount business class tickets when I need them.
The upgrades so far have been useless.
I still have 4 GPUs in my account.
I will probably credit my spend to AC from now on just so I can get *G.
(It’s only $6kCAD spend for *G)
Sad!
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 10, 2019 at 12:06 am Reason: merged consecutive posts by same member
#313
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: FLL, MEL, SIN, WAS
Programs: SQ, UA*Lifetime GS, Hyatt* Lifetime Globalist
Posts: 13,421
At least for the next three years I will be with UA. I anticipate 250K BIS each year on UA and about 100K BIS on *A partners each year as well.
I will still earn 11x RDM on mostly UA premium fares and still earn enough upgrade Points from PQPs. lifetime GS is nice perks when I still fly around 350K BIS each year.
After three years, who knows what will happen to DL, AA or even AS. Maybe UA is the worst program three years from now. Too many uncertainties....
I will still earn 11x RDM on mostly UA premium fares and still earn enough upgrade Points from PQPs. lifetime GS is nice perks when I still fly around 350K BIS each year.
After three years, who knows what will happen to DL, AA or even AS. Maybe UA is the worst program three years from now. Too many uncertainties....
#314




Join Date: May 2010
Location: AVP & PEK
Programs: UA 1K 2MM
Posts: 7,880
Anyone with lifetime 1K or GS should be comfortable enough with continuing with/on UA. ^
I've enjoyed Hainan Airlines, Etihad, and this coming week Singapore, Qatar and Lufthansa, since I ditched UA (although to be fair, not all the destinations are covered by UA).
All I can say so far is: "WOW, I never knew how truly bland United Airlines really is!"
I must have simply gotten used to mediocrity! Quite sad actually....
I've enjoyed Hainan Airlines, Etihad, and this coming week Singapore, Qatar and Lufthansa, since I ditched UA (although to be fair, not all the destinations are covered by UA).
All I can say so far is: "WOW, I never knew how truly bland United Airlines really is!"
I must have simply gotten used to mediocrity! Quite sad actually....
#315
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Australia
Programs: UA 1K 2MMF, QF Gold
Posts: 73




