UA drops GUM-HKG
Jun 28, 2019, 5:04 pm
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Jun 28, 2019, 5:09 pm
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https://www.guampdn.com/story/money/...rd/1521131001/
Guam Visitor Board cites 19.5% annual increase visitor traffic from Japan, for May 2019.
Most of volume increase seems to be from charter flights to Guam.
ANA does not seem to have increased flights between gum-japan. UA is mostly down gauging (until hopefully there is more available extra planes).
But UA Hkg-gum flight traffic is consistently only 70-80% full in the 15 flights I flew over past 2 years with easy CPU upgrade.
Guam Visitor Board cites 19.5% annual increase visitor traffic from Japan, for May 2019.
Most of volume increase seems to be from charter flights to Guam.
ANA does not seem to have increased flights between gum-japan. UA is mostly down gauging (until hopefully there is more available extra planes).
But UA Hkg-gum flight traffic is consistently only 70-80% full in the 15 flights I flew over past 2 years with easy CPU upgrade.
Last edited by npei; Jun 28, 2019 at 5:18 pm
Jun 29, 2019, 12:42 am
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Jun 29, 2019, 12:55 am
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I don't understand - they're going to take the GUM-HKG equipment and use it for additional flights to Japan; well the GUM-HKG flights operate in the evening so the equipment would have already returned from it's Japan run. Even during winter with the evening NGO and KIX flights, that equipment was already based on GUM so the fleet is here. So what is it really? Why can't UA just cut the flight down to M and F only vs. three times weekly? Why the gradual pull out? It makes no sense at all.
Jun 29, 2019, 2:20 am
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One important reason must be HKG being a slot-constrained airport. UA saw the opportunity of a second daily HKG-SFO rotation and had to decide what other service to pull instead. GUM-HKG has been determined to be it.
Last edited by mihaid; Jun 29, 2019 at 2:26 am
Jun 29, 2019, 2:45 am
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So we had this flight booked on Jan 3rd. Our full itinerary was:
YYC-SFO-HKG on Jan 1st - Paid with cash
HKG-GUM-TKK-MAJ on Jan 3rd - Paid with miles
MAJ-HNL-YYC on Jan 8th - Paid with miles
Obviously the cancellation of the HKG-GUM flight royally screwed us in this situation, and there was no other way they could get us to MAJ from HKG on that date, or any time around that date. I made the point very politely that although these were separate reservations, it is the cancellation of HKG-GUM which put us in this position, and asked if they would be kind enough to refund the YYC-SFO-HKG flight in addition to the two others. Luckily they agreed to do so.
People on this board talk a lot about the benefits of status being devalued, but in this situation United treated us extremely well, and probably bent the rules to do the right thing. I've emailed 1K voice with the agent's name to compliment her. While we're quite disappointed to not be visiting Micronesia and the Marshall Islands, the damage was limited because we haven't made any hotel commitments yet.
YYC-SFO-HKG on Jan 1st - Paid with cash
HKG-GUM-TKK-MAJ on Jan 3rd - Paid with miles
MAJ-HNL-YYC on Jan 8th - Paid with miles
Obviously the cancellation of the HKG-GUM flight royally screwed us in this situation, and there was no other way they could get us to MAJ from HKG on that date, or any time around that date. I made the point very politely that although these were separate reservations, it is the cancellation of HKG-GUM which put us in this position, and asked if they would be kind enough to refund the YYC-SFO-HKG flight in addition to the two others. Luckily they agreed to do so.
People on this board talk a lot about the benefits of status being devalued, but in this situation United treated us extremely well, and probably bent the rules to do the right thing. I've emailed 1K voice with the agent's name to compliment her. While we're quite disappointed to not be visiting Micronesia and the Marshall Islands, the damage was limited because we haven't made any hotel commitments yet.
Jun 29, 2019, 12:27 pm
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Jun 29, 2019, 1:00 pm
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Shifting GUM-Asia flights to HNL-Asia make no sense whatsoever, there are plenty of Asian carriers had already been flying those routes for years, JL, NH, CI, OZ, KE, PR, CA, MU, QF, NZ, then Asia LCC Jin Air, Air Asia, Jetstar, not to mention HA, some even have multiple flights daily, UA will fail miserably to compete direct at those airlines.
Jun 29, 2019, 1:50 pm
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Cairns is relatively close and that did not workout
United Cuts GUM-CNS/ICN and DEN-PTY
United Cuts GUM-CNS/ICN and DEN-PTY
Jun 29, 2019, 3:10 pm
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Cairns is relatively close and that did not workout
United Cuts GUM-CNS/ICN and DEN-PTY
United Cuts GUM-CNS/ICN and DEN-PTY
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-...ister/11043196
https://www.wsj.com/articles/darwin-...pad-1527154203
Jun 30, 2019, 8:00 am
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I don't understand - they're going to take the GUM-HKG equipment and use it for additional flights to Japan; well the GUM-HKG flights operate in the evening so the equipment would have already returned from it's Japan run. Even during winter with the evening NGO and KIX flights, that equipment was already based on GUM so the fleet is here. So what is it really? Why can't UA just cut the flight down to M and F only vs. three times weekly? Why the gradual pull out? It makes no sense at all.
Cairns is relatively close and that did not workout
United Cuts GUM-CNS/ICN and DEN-PTY
United Cuts GUM-CNS/ICN and DEN-PTY
Jun 30, 2019, 1:37 pm
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so whats the rule on that? There were no revenue tickets on united, since united obviously doesn’t serve the route anymore. They told me because it was a partner flight, we needed mileage availability on ANA.
Any revenue flight was a $3,000 cost at minimum. those schedules also didn’t work great for us either, but now I’m curious to know what I could / should have pushed for
Any revenue flight was a $3,000 cost at minimum. those schedules also didn’t work great for us either, but now I’m curious to know what I could / should have pushed for