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Old Mar 25, 2018, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
Word is out on another site (not my post) regarding a company memo about the May 1 "enhancements".

POLARIS SERVICE ENHANCEMENTS
Frequently Asked Questions

1. When do the service updates go into effect?
A: The service updates are effective May 1, 2018, on all long-haul international flights.

2. Why are we making changes to our United Polaris® service?
A: Customers have positively received our United Polaris lounge, and this year we are opening more United Polaris lounges beginning this summer in San Francisco, Houston and New York/Newark and in the fall, Los Angeles. As we continue to add more lounges, we want to take into account the feedback that customers have given us — they’ve emphasized their desire to rest and relax during their journey, especially onboard. The updates to the service flow will allow us to continue providing a premium product with high-quality food, wine, amenities and more, but it’ll be delivered in a more efficient way.

3. What is the new international United Polaris meal service flow?
A: The meal service flow for both first and business class will be the same:
Pre-departure
• Pre-poured sparkling wine, orange juice and water offered from a silver tray, with other beverages available upon request.
Main meal service
• Hot towels
• Linen placement
• Pre-meal beverage cart
• Appetizer and salad cart
• Bread and beverage refills
• Entrées
• Bread and beverage refills
• Dessert and pre-plated cheese cart
• Individual water bottles with hang tags
Mid-flight service (when applicable)
• Display mid-flight snacks on console, self-service unit, fold-down trays or galley countertop.
• Heat and serve hot on-demand items (when applicable) upon customer request.
Pre-arrival service
• Hot towels
• Pre-arrival tray setup with entrée and choice of beverage
• Breads and pastries

4. Will we be able to offer other pre-departure beverages?
A: Yes, upon customer request fulfill other pre-departure beverages in accordance with each departure country’s pre-departure liquor procedures. Refer to the Flight Attendant Policies and Procedures Manual to determine if you are allowed to open beverage carts/carriers that contain alcohol on the ground.

5. Is there still a chocolate offered during pre-departure?
A: Pre-departure chocolates/dessert will be catered on the pre-arrival tray instead for customers to enjoy during or after their flight.

6. What’s changing with the Bloody Mary and wine specialty beverage carts?
A: Wines and Bloody Marys will continue to be available upon request, but the dedicated cart service will change. This was a common flight attendant suggestion for improvement. A new branded cart cover is being sourced to improve presentation in the aisle and will be available shortly after launch.

7. Can we still offer wine tastings?
A: Absolutely. Although the wine arches with the 3 tastings will not be boarded, we can continue to honor customers’ requests to sample select wines.

8. What about the United Polaris first class soup and salad course?
A: The salad and appetizer will be delivered at the same time on a tray setup, instead of having a soup course.

9. What about the turndown service?
A: We will continue to offer the turndown service upon request.

10. Will Express Dining continue to be offered?
A: Yes, Express Dining will continue to be offered and can be requested and delivered at any point during the flight.

11. Will we continue to offer the mini desserts and fruit and cheese?
A: The mini desserts will continue to be offered from the three-tier cart with the signature ice cream service. In addition, pre-plated cheese will be added to the dessert cart. To make room for the fruit and cheese on the dessert cart, the specialty tea box will be removed from the cart, although specialty teas will continue to be available from the galley.

12. Are there any updates to the mid-flight and pre-arrival services?
A: There will be a few updates to both the mid-flight and pre-arrival service.
Mid-flight service (when available) – While we’ll no longer have formal presentation of mid-flight snacks, snack provisioning levels will remain the same and will continue to be displayed near the galley as is done today. Hang tags advising the customers that mid-flight snacks are available will be added to the individual bottle waters distributed after the main meal service. Hot snack items, when available, will also be delivered upon request.
Pre-arrival service – We’re removing tray table linens to reduce trips through the aisle. The tray itself will continue to have a linen liner. The pre-departure chocolate/dessert will be catered on the pre-arrival tray for customers to enjoy during or after the flight.

13. Will there be any new service items introduced to support the new United Polaris service?
A: Yes, there are a few new elements that will be introduced, including:
Cart covers – Similar to some of our competitors, branded cart covers for both the half and full carts will be boarded for use in the aisle on both the beverage and meal tray carts. Cart covers will be available shortly after launch.
Hang tags – To be placed on individual bottle waters at the end of the main meal service to advise customers that mid-flight snacks are available.

14. Will we be changing the domestic meal service procedures to align with the new United Polaris service (e.g. pre-poured pre-departure beverages)?
A: We will continue listening to the feedback of our customers and our flight attendants and will adjust our processes where necessary to deliver the best service for our customers.
Some key points:

- Return of the salad/appetizer cart, although I suspect it's just going to be the meal cart with a fancy cover, to reduce the number of galley trips with hand-run trays
- Beverage carts coming back to the aisle (similar to DL and the former 3-cabin sUA business class service) with branded cart covers
- Soup is gone in Polaris First (so no more differentiation; the product isn't expected to last the full year, anyway)
- Wine tasting arches are gone
- No bloody mary carts (already announced)
- Hot bites will stay
- Bread refills to be offered (return of the bread basket?)
- Pre-departure chocolates returned to the pre-arrival tray

In many ways, this is going to look like the former three-cabin BusinessFirst service with nicer linens and serviceware. Overall, not the sweeping change (or depth of cuts) I was expecting. No word on provisioning of the other items (gel pillows, mattress pads, slippers, PJs, etc.)
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 10:34 am
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Originally Posted by miberns
I consider Polaris itself a downgrade. I'm only 6' tall and I can't lie fully flat in the Polaris seat. I fly Emirates, Singapore, EVA and Turkish now. All of their seats, service and meal choices are far superior. I was Global Services on United and find I am treated better with no status on all these airlines. Also the business class fares are lower for a self employed guy with no corporate discount.
This is just not true, at least when it comes to the new Polaris seats and not the old United business-class seats rebranded as Polaris, despite not being new. Emirates and Turkish do not have direct-aisle access seats in business-class. Emirates even has middle business-class seats!
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Even the cold sandwiches are gone?
I honestly don't remember - it was just a sad little set up thrown on a counter in the galley. I flew a few other "Polaris" flights this fall and the only thing better that did show up was the tiny gummy bears.

I have a couple of trips to plan and I will compare. Two years ago I ended up on AA for Denver Barcelona because first/business(+ 3 nights in a hotel in Barcelona) was about the same as waitlisting for Polaris business without the wait. It also got me AA lounge access and preordering of the meal. I doubt I will hit 1K this year in any case so I would(as a MM flyer) drop to gold. Oh, well.

From my recent checks, everything UA is a waitlist - GPU or miles and money but I'll keep looking.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 10:56 am
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Analysts don't like Kirby's growth plans and are killing the stock; he's trying to bring it back up by cutting costs.
The C-suite's comp / bonus packages are tied to the stock price, not service quality or customer satisfaction.

Originally Posted by bocastephen
It's time to dump Oscar (big disappointment) and especially Kirby... they just want our money without needing to provide anything above a very low baseline.
They want maximum revenue against minimum cost basis. As long as loyalists mutter empty threats along the lines of "Keep this up and you might force me over to DL" while continuing to spend with UA, Oscar / Kirby look like heroes and nothing changes.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
The C-suite's comp / bonus packages are tied to the stock price, not service quality or customer satisfaction.

They want maximum revenue against minimum cost basis. As long as loyalists mutter empty threats along the lines of "Keep this up and you might force me over to DL" while continuing to spend with UA, Oscar / Kirby look like heroes and nothing changes.
I have other Star Alliance options with better or more consistent products and service and can continue my mileage earnings on United without giving them any of my money for an inferior product.

My domestic F spend is all P fares which cuts my overall spend while simplifying my requalification.

Frankly I could buy 3 ultra cheap coach tickets for myself in E+ to have a row to myself and just bring my own food and buy a gel pillow from Amazon.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 11:12 am
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I would be annoyed if they got rid of the hot bites. Those are consistently the best part of any food onboard (IMO) and I now order them instead of the prearrival food that is usually served.
Exactly, the hot beef stew out of FRA/MUC/ZRH has made up for the lame pre-arrival meal. I have had it on most of my flights last year.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
Exactly, the hot beef stew out of FRA/MUC/ZRH has made up for the lame pre-arrival meal. I have had it on most of my flights last year.
Already gone.

This is just typical United... the cycle of cost-cutting never ends. Soft product cuts are IRRESISTIBLE to airline middle managers.

As for upper management... meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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I feel like UA is going all in with the McDonald's approach, unless you are in first, in which case Applebee's catering. If you fly out of DEN in first, then you still get McDonalds, albeit on a plate.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
Exactly, the hot beef stew out of FRA/MUC/ZRH has made up for the lame pre-arrival meal. I have had it on most of my flights last year.
Pretty sure I also got that out of BRU - was thinking it might have been a leftover hot bite(in Nov) but it was definitely good !
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
The C-suite's comp / bonus packages are tied to the stock price, not service quality or customer satisfaction.
Yes, of course, and the fact that they're cutting soft product despite record earnings just shows how messed up the whole system has become with its focus on immediate term stock price rather than long term value, but that discussion is heading off-topic.
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As I posted in the "Let's Eat" thread, on my recent LIS-EWR flight, they used the existence of the Bloody Mary cart as an excuse to stock less wine, resulting in them running out of one of the two white wine choices after the first drink service.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
Yes, of course, and the fact that they're cutting soft product despite record earnings just shows how messed up the whole system has become with its focus on immediate term stock price rather than long term value, but that discussion is heading off-topic.
It's pretty amazing. I can't see how these ticky-tack changes, even in totality, can move the non-fuel CASM needle much at all.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 12:10 pm
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It's pretty amazing. I can't see how these ticky-tack changes, even in totality, can move the non-fuel CASM needle much at all.
Perhaps it's about the optics, so they can tell analysts about all the cuts they're making.

Pretty messed up when keeping the analysts happy is more important than keeping your passengers happy.

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Old Feb 8, 2018, 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by miberns
I consider Polaris itself a downgrade. I'm only 6' tall and I can't lie fully flat in the Polaris seat. I fly Emirates, Singapore, EVA and Turkish now. All of their seats, service and meal choices are far superior. I was Global Services on United and find I am treated better with no status on all these airlines. Also the business class fares are lower for a self employed guy with no corporate discount.
And how would you feel if United had retained a separate Polaris First cabin? Would that have allowed you to stay? Because I understand well getting sleep in [the current] UA F and not in the new Polaris C seat.

Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
ut this all on Kirby...clearly Oscar is relying on the guy who has more airline management experience, but it’s a huge mistake. He (Oscar) has burned any goodwill he had brought when he first came on, and no one who is paying attention actually thinks he is running the show.
That's overblown. Oscar is liked by all 3 constituencies very well, his employees in particular. His predecessor? Saying he was disliked by all 3 would be an understatement...
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by goodeats21
Not surprising...typical United.

Has anyone confirmed that the "Hot Bites" service is gone? It was removed from the menu, but I haven't been on United in awhile to confirm if it is just off the menu, or not loaded on board at all.
I had Hot Bites options on my TLV-EWR flight yesterday — a lobster curry and tomato soup/grilled cheese. Had the lobster curry, and it was excellent.
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Old Feb 8, 2018, 12:16 pm
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Originally Posted by rflor


I had Hot Bites options on my TLV-EWR flight yesterday — a lobster curry and tomato soup/grilled cheese. Had the lobster curry, and it was excellent.
Well, that is good news. Was it listed as such on the menu?
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